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WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

And on that note I'm off for bed.
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I'd say that the majority of my suspicion of you comes from gut feel Catwalk.

You just strike me as being different to your usual play and I look at what you say and I just keep having this feeling in the back of my mind that you are trying to stir the pot.

You were on the Bigger bandwagon, then went through an awkward phase of just piggybacking on novice.

I initially thought you were just misguided but your seemingly more confident and assertive personality now seems like a real shift that just grates me.

I think that my suspicion of uberfish is the typical response of me to one person in the game, who has so far always turned out to be innocent (zak and Lewwyn).

From looking at the Bigger voters, the only combination of 'collaberators' that I can see involves you and Rowain. And my gut feel on you means I'm on you rather than him right now
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Merovech
placeholder in case i get hit by a proverbial or non-proverbial bus.
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well a little more than a placeholder.

sets up with a very early vote on thestick (wolf)
comes back with "thestick is starting to sound innocent"
is "very torn", but votes Sareln to hang.

also a lot of 1-liner posts. short sweet easy and low risk.
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since i'm going to sleep I will clarify my point on Mero. Several players tried to save thestick because we wrongly thought he was innocent. the "mistaken town" response is to go "hmm, I was wrong, these other guys might have been wrong too" which is why I wasn't suspicious of Sareln or Catwalk, and we have seen the same sort of position from Sareln who is now confirmed town. Instead mero goes "oh I'm innocent, but sareln, uberfish and catwalk are ALL now really suspicious" which reads as simply trying to pass the blame to anyone but himself.
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Well, I'd say I was thinking more along the lines of "some of the people who switched are probably mafia; at least, more likely than I trust my non-voting based scumtells to be. Sareln is the most suspicious of these to me." As the night and day go by, I slightly expand that list, and change the order around a bit. At the end, I become almost convinced that Catwalk is more suspicious than Sareln, hence my Catwalk vote. I realize that there is no way Catwalk is hanging though, and I still suspect Sareln a lot, plus I am wary of a second late Day 1-esque run, so I vote him. Although I was wrong on Sareln, I would honestly think that just narrows down the list of late switchers-I still feel there is probably a mafioso or two or more in there, although we obviously have more to work on now than just Day 1. If you think I am a wolf because of my switch, I am not sure how to convince you that I am not, since my Day 2 vote, in hindsight, wasn't especially good for the village. I suppose I could pull the "scum wouldn't do that" card that Sareln played in post #738 (see post #732 for the list of people he is referring to), but I'd feel hypocritical, as I've never been a fan of it.
Merovech's Mapmaking Guidelines:
0. Player Requests: The player's requests take precedence, even if they contradict the following guidelines.

1. Balance: The map must be balanced, both in regards to land quality and availability and in regards to special civilization features. A map may be wonderfully unique and surprising, but, if it is unbalanced, the game will suffer and the player's enjoyment will not be as high as it could be.

2. Identity and Enjoyment: The map should be interesting to play at all levels, from city placement and management to the border-created interactions between civilizations, and should include varied terrain. Flavor should enhance the inherent pleasure resulting from the underlying tile arrangements. The map should not be exceedingly lush, but it is better to err on the lush side than on the poor side when placing terrain.

3. Feel (Avoiding Gimmicks): The map should not be overwhelmed or dominated by the mapmaker's flavor. Embellishment of the map through the use of special improvements, barbarian units, and abnormal terrain can enhance the identity and enjoyment of the map, but should take a backseat to the more normal aspects of the map. The game should usually not revolve around the flavor, but merely be accented by it.

4. Realism: Where possible, the terrain of the map should be realistic. Jungles on desert tiles, or even next to desert tiles, should therefore have a very specific reason for existing. Rivers should run downhill or across level ground into bodies of water. Irrigated terrain should have a higher grassland to plains ratio than dry terrain. Mountain chains should cast rain shadows. Islands, mountains, and peninsulas should follow logical plate tectonics.
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Okay, this isn't too readable, but here is the list of votes along with a running count.

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post#    Person        VoteFor        arromi    azza    bigger    catwal    gaspar    ichabo    injera    jkaen    lewwyn    mattim    meiz    merove    molach    novice    pindic    qgqqqq    rowain    sareln    selrah    serdoa    tasunk    twinkl    uberfi    waterb
504    rowain        ichabod                            1                                                                        
509    novice        qgqqqqq                            1                                        1                                
510    pindicator    twinkletoes                        1                                        1                        1        
516    injera        sareln                            1                                        1        1                1        
520    uberfish    twinkletoes                        1                                        1        1                2        
528    tasunke        sareln                            1                                        1        2                2        
529    twinkletoes    uberfish                        1                                        1        2                2    1    
533    lewwyn        catwalk                    1        1                                        1        2                2    1    
534    gaspar        ichabod                    1        2                                        1        2                2    1    
535    catwalk        qgqqqqq                    1        2                                        2        2                2    1    
538    merovech    sareln                    1        2                                        2        3                2    1    
540    rowain        qgqqqqq                    1        1                                        3        3                2    1    
547    jkaen        ichabod                    1        2                                        3        3                2    1    
551    molach        sareln                    1        2                                        3        4                2    1    
557    novice        qgqqqqq                    1        2                                        3        4                2    1    
558    azza        uberfish                1        2                                        3        4                2    2    
567    catwalk        unvote                    1        2                                        2        4                2    2    
568    rowain        pindicator                1        2                                    1    1        4                2    2    
572    serdoa        sareln                    1        2                                    1    1        5                2    2    
577    meiz        waterbat                1        2                                    1    1        5                2    2    1
582    jkaen        sareln                    1        1                                    1    1        6                2    2    1
584    selrahc        qgqqqqq                    1        1                                    1    2        6                2    2    1
593    mattimeo    sareln                    1        1                                    1    2        7                2    2    1
598    bigger        sareln                    1        1                                    1    2        8                2    2    1
623    bigger        uberfish                1        1                                    1    2        7                2    3    1
636    waterbat    uberfish                1        1                                    1    2        7                2    4    1
664    bigger        sareln                    1        1                                    1    2        8                2    3    1
667    sareln        catwalk                    2        1                                    1    2        8                2    3    1
684    arromir        sareln                    2        1                                    1    2        9                2    3    1
690    serdoa        merovech                2        1                        1            1    2        8                2    3    1
693    novice        qgqqqqq                    2        1                        1            1    2        8                2    3    1
701    catwalk        merovech                2        1                        2            1    2        8                2    3    1
705    ichabod        catwalk                    3        1                        2            1    2        8                2    3    1
715    twinkletoes    mattimeo                3        1                1        2            1    2        8                2    2    1
721    novice        selrahc                    3        1                1        2            1    1        8    1            2    2    1
727    gaspar        selrahc                    3        1                1        2            1    1        8    2            2    2    1
748    lewwyn        ichabod                    2        1                1        2            1    1        8    2            2    2    1
753    qgqqqqq        selrahc                    2        1                1        2            1    1        8    3            2    2    1
757    serdoa        ichabod                    2        2                1        1            1    1        8    3            2    2    1
768    azza        catwalk                    3        2                1        1            1    1        8    3            2    1    1
771    jkaen        selrahc                    3        2                1        1            1    1        7    4            2    1    1
772    sareln        pindicator                2        2                1        1            2    1        7    4            2    1    1
774    injera        ichabod                    2        3                1        1            2    1        6    4            2    1    1
777    novice        pindicator                2        3                1        1            3    1        6    3            2    1    1
778    catwalk        pindicator                2        3                1                    4    1        6    3            2    1    1
786    waterbat    pindicator                2        3                1                    5    1        6    3            2        1
810    qgqqqqq        catwalk                    3        3                1                    5    1        6    2            2        1
824    molach        twinkletoes                3        3                1                    5    1        5    2            3        1
835    twinkletoes    uberfish                3        3                                    5    1        5    2            3    1    1
839    azza        uberfish                2        3                                    5    1        5    2            3    2    1
842    serdoa        uberfish                2        2                                    5    1        5    2            3    3    1
846    bigger        uberfish                2        2                                    5    1        4    2            3    4    1
852    tasunke        uberfish                2        2                                    5    1        3    2            3    5    1
855    waterbat    uberfish                2        2                                    4    1        3    2            3    6    1
858    novice        pindicator                2        2                                    4    1        3    2            3    6    1
872    qgqqqqq        selrahc                    1        2                                    4    1        3    3            3    6    1
874    novice        selrahc                    1        2                                    3    1        3    4            3    6    1
882    catwalk        azza            1        1        2                                    2    1        3    4            3    6    1
890    novice        ichabod            1        1        3                                    2    1        3    3            3    6    1
895    serdoa        ichabod            1        1        4                                    2    1        3    3            3    5    1
909    gaspar        ichabod            1        1        5                                    2    1        3    2            3    5    1
913    tasunke        sareln            1        1        5                                    2    1        4    2            3    4    1
942    pindicator    sareln            1        1        5                                    2    1        5    2            2    4    1
953    ichabod        sareln            1                5                                    2    1        7    2            2    4    1
954    twinkletoes    sareln            1                5                                    2    1        7    2            2    3    1
973    ichabod        pindicator        1                5                                    3    1        6    2            2    3    1
974    uberfish    pindicator        1                5                                    4    1        6    2            1    3    1
977    novice        pindicator        1                4                                    5    1        6    2            1    3    1
982    meiz        pindicator        1                4                                    6    1        6    2            1    3    
989    catwalk        pindicator                        4                                    7    1        6    2            1    3    
1003    qgqqqqq        ichabod                            5                                    7    1        6    1            1    3    
1006    merovech    catwalk                    1        5                                    7    1        5    1            1    3    
1012    twinkletoes    catwalk                    2        5                                    7    1        4    1            1    3    
1019    pindicator    ichabod                    2        6                                    7    1        3    1            1    3    
1023    merovech    sareln                    1        6                                    7    1        4    1            1    3    
1033    molach        sareln                    1        6                                    7    1        5    1                3    
1041    pindicator    sareln                    1        5                                    7    1        6    1                3    
1044    twinkletoes    sareln                            5                                    7    1        7    1                3    
1045    jkaen        ichabod                            6                                    7    1        7                    3    
1055    serdoa        sareln                            5                                    7    1        8                    3

If you want a more readable version, here is a link to a google docs spreadsheet. The google docs has more info in it, including some nebulously defined things like "attacked" and "buddied", which are very vague and a reflection of how I felt the tone of a post was directed towards or against someone. And then notes, which I took way too many of at first, causing the whole thing to slow down.

565 posts... My eyes are tired
Suffer Game Sicko
Dodo Tier Player
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Since I'm starting to get a little pressure from you (and others), I would like to clarify what I think are two errors in your notes regarding me: In post 329, I said that I thought that Bigger using the word "useless" was an exaggeration, not that questioning Sareln was a "useless exaggeration." In post 340, I said that I was originally going to say "hang" but thought it very unlikely that Bigger was going to hang, so I chose to use the word "pressure" instead. The movement after my vote pushed Bigger very close to hanging (not to say that I didn't help that movement), so "pressure" ended up turning into a very awkward word.

Also, I cannot find posts 416-495 on your google doc.
Merovech's Mapmaking Guidelines:
0. Player Requests: The player's requests take precedence, even if they contradict the following guidelines.

1. Balance: The map must be balanced, both in regards to land quality and availability and in regards to special civilization features. A map may be wonderfully unique and surprising, but, if it is unbalanced, the game will suffer and the player's enjoyment will not be as high as it could be.

2. Identity and Enjoyment: The map should be interesting to play at all levels, from city placement and management to the border-created interactions between civilizations, and should include varied terrain. Flavor should enhance the inherent pleasure resulting from the underlying tile arrangements. The map should not be exceedingly lush, but it is better to err on the lush side than on the poor side when placing terrain.

3. Feel (Avoiding Gimmicks): The map should not be overwhelmed or dominated by the mapmaker's flavor. Embellishment of the map through the use of special improvements, barbarian units, and abnormal terrain can enhance the identity and enjoyment of the map, but should take a backseat to the more normal aspects of the map. The game should usually not revolve around the flavor, but merely be accented by it.

4. Realism: Where possible, the terrain of the map should be realistic. Jungles on desert tiles, or even next to desert tiles, should therefore have a very specific reason for existing. Rivers should run downhill or across level ground into bodies of water. Irrigated terrain should have a higher grassland to plains ratio than dry terrain. Mountain chains should cast rain shadows. Islands, mountains, and peninsulas should follow logical plate tectonics.
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Thanks. That's really helpful for people who were asleep during a lot of the action, I didn't realize the extent of that uberfish run.
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Oh, and yes, thank you (and Waterbat for his tool)!
Merovech's Mapmaking Guidelines:
0. Player Requests: The player's requests take precedence, even if they contradict the following guidelines.

1. Balance: The map must be balanced, both in regards to land quality and availability and in regards to special civilization features. A map may be wonderfully unique and surprising, but, if it is unbalanced, the game will suffer and the player's enjoyment will not be as high as it could be.

2. Identity and Enjoyment: The map should be interesting to play at all levels, from city placement and management to the border-created interactions between civilizations, and should include varied terrain. Flavor should enhance the inherent pleasure resulting from the underlying tile arrangements. The map should not be exceedingly lush, but it is better to err on the lush side than on the poor side when placing terrain.

3. Feel (Avoiding Gimmicks): The map should not be overwhelmed or dominated by the mapmaker's flavor. Embellishment of the map through the use of special improvements, barbarian units, and abnormal terrain can enhance the identity and enjoyment of the map, but should take a backseat to the more normal aspects of the map. The game should usually not revolve around the flavor, but merely be accented by it.

4. Realism: Where possible, the terrain of the map should be realistic. Jungles on desert tiles, or even next to desert tiles, should therefore have a very specific reason for existing. Rivers should run downhill or across level ground into bodies of water. Irrigated terrain should have a higher grassland to plains ratio than dry terrain. Mountain chains should cast rain shadows. Islands, mountains, and peninsulas should follow logical plate tectonics.
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