WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Azza]

Gazglum

I don't think you're scum, but Ichabod is confirmed village unless we have a Brickabod scum team. And one of you and Ichabod has to die, so not left with much choice here.

[Bigger]

gawd... gazglum you have to use "preview post" to avoid this brick you should have come out right away or not at all wahh.


im just gonna not vote in the duel cuz I feel sorry for gaz. oh well.


anyway I need to put this out there:

I would prefer Bigger: He has already claimed his ability a claim which so far has not been validated. His I would have vigged Gaspar + his claimed "help me lynch Gaspar"-post do not fit with his D1. He is -IMO- the most likely SK.

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umm, ok. I actually sent a message to Rowain last night. I cut and paste the entire (mostly) message that I sent to Serdoa night 1, and then included a private message just for Rowain at the end.

I'm assuming from above that Rowain didn't get it. I really can't think of any reason for him to lie, even if he was a wolf. So I assume a role-blocker is trolling me. And to tbh, I'm fine with that.

I had a lot of thoughts on Ichabod that are irrelevant now that I know he is town. So I'll just say this: Ichabod, all role-play aside, can you put some effort into lynching scum, and not just troll-fun? kthx.


There was a very damning case on molach day 2 (I think by lewwyn??) that has just been forgotten about, even though he never gave a satisfactory answer. He basically bussed Flug. It should have been clear from his neighbor posts Flug was innocent - only Molach had access to those, and didn't bother sharing until it was too late. What pro-town reason could he have for withholding that info from the village? note that ever since that he has shut up and gone into his typical scum lurk mode, hoping we forget to lynch him for a bit.

[Qgqqqqq]

Checking in.
Erm the whole ichabod/gazglum debacle is hilarious, though very has for town.
I'm a bit uneasy about the no result on lewwyn - perhaps GM protected him N1?
I'm getting more and more suspicious of bigger presently I just don't get his reactions to some of my posts.

However Id first like to hear what the general populace thinks about molach .,
Do people think I'm just blowing bot air and should shut up about him, or is he just power on peoples priorities for lynching?
I'm reminded of something someone said yesterday - just because he case hasn't changed doesn't make it any less valid - I guess I'm just not seeing any improvement on molachs part - Im still getting the same impression from his posts, Nd not seeing him help any.
I find the implications of aerdoas claim on the mwiz case interesting. While I don't think he should be cleared by any means, u think any train should be shelved for the moment.

I dislike the way azza keeps getting raised and then abandoned without any traction, I get the feeling that he's being subtly pushed for a scam bus later on.

[Composed agree the uberfush votecount ]

[Bigger]

Q what posts are you talking about? TBH I can't even remember having a reaction to any of your posts .

I agree with everything you said about molach. He was always my #2, I just found Ichabod so scummy I wasn't interested in a second candidate. oh well, Ichabod appears to be innocent, so lets lynch molach.

[Qgqqqqq]

Just so you know I'm not ignoring you, I'm collecting a quote stack (there are a couple of specific ones I remember).

But yeah that's why I kept raising him because that's what I thought was happening - I just feel like a fool spending 30+ hours as the only voter

[Lewwyn]

N1 I scanned Lewwyn, and got a "no result".

WTF? Did someone block you? Jailed maybe? I win with town and I do not have an ability that blocks other abilities. Did Rowain steal your result? Remember his first posts of Day 2? Why are you voting for him Brick?

Last night I mentioned that I thought Q might be suspicious. The main reason I thought that is because he's pretty fixated on Molach. I'm not sure if Molach is innocent or not, but I do think that Qg's obssession with lynching him could be a scum ploy to avoid having to look at other targets. So his most recent posts today sort of nullify that. Not sure then.

Ichabod, yes my posts were me centered. I'm trying to be more objective in my accusations so that I don't get to caught up in an emotional war with someone. As for whether or not I suspected you, I did because Day 2 my plan all day had been to vote for you before I went to bed if you couldn't convince me of your innocence. In the end I thought novice was scummier so I stayed there. And if you read carefully I was sure to talk about whether the people I talked about were scum if you were scum, or if their play made sense without you being scum. Or at least that's how it sounded in my head. I don't understand how that's scummy given you were the focal point of Day 1. Talking about how people reacted is important and since I couldn't decide either way on you I had to look at it as if you were both.

Gazglum, you should just blame Brick.

Today I was planning on voting for either Ichabod or Mattimeo, which is why I told Gaz to choose one of them to duel. Really wish Brick had claimed earlier. Matt could have been dueled and we could have had another lynch target instead.

[Gazglum]

gawd... gazglum you have to use "preview post" to avoid this

I guess I thought it was unlikely that there would be a game-shifting post in the 20 seconds it took me to write my challenge .

Actually, Brick's behaviour today was one of the things that pushed me towards picking Ichabod - it seemed really weird that he would suddenly change his mind on Ichabod's scumminess when it got down to the wire. I never even considered a night action.

In the time that is left to me, I guess I should look at the real lynch.

Qqqqq, I think I was the one who said that an old case is not necessarily a bad case, but actually today's shenanigans have moved me off Molach. I thought Molach's behaviour was scummy, because he was holding back information that ensured innocent Flug lynched over potentially guilty Ichabod. But if Ichabod is village too, then it seems stupid for the wolves to play so shady over the private messages. In fact, I think they would have rather Ichabod hung. So I think the Molach case is not a good one anymore.

Bigger, I thought you were my best friend in the world, now I just don't know. Were you talking a hot-blooded young pirate into taking on a duel that would help the wolves either way? Maybe, but then I agreed with you on Ichabod's play so I can hardly fault you for your instincts now. The lack of messages is weird, but maybe UBer was trolling you with a power that everybody would ignore (really, who ever listened to Navi?). Good luck, my man.

Pindi I have a slightly scummy vibe from, but that was based entirely on instinct and my instinct has been proved wrong so far. SO I guess PIndicator must be town!

Anyway, I'm still not sold on this Mattimeo case, as it seems like we're just going down the path of lynching lurkers again. I want to know more about why Lewwyn came up 'no response' for Brick. What are the ways that could have happened? Would a Serial Killer be No Response? Could Uber put in a Fool Seer (in which case I will laugh myself sick if Ichabod does flip wolf in the end)? Does Lewwyn have some unscannable ability because he lives so far under the sea?

Until we discuss it a bit more, Lewwyn. Yes, I might as well cast my vote in with Arch-Enemy Ichabod again. I've realised that, deep down, we're made for each other.


Speaking of Ichabod: Hey Morte, it's clear you don't have a proper digestive system, given all the crap that flies out of your mouth.

[Bigger]

actually thats a good question for Brick. Brick, can you paraphrase what you role says? If a role-seer tells the difference between good and evil, a serial killer would show up as scum. But if it just, say, says "mafia or not mafia" in a mafia game, or "wolf or human" in a ww game, then a neutral could get a no result.

Of course its a little more complicated since uber has chosen not to tell us the official title of the bad guys.

[Lewwyn]

I submit for my defense on the no result that Brick recieved:

Lewwyn

Lewwyn

?

Just bringing some color to the game.

It has no meaning, no influence and wont harm or benefit Lewwyn, myself or any other player.
It bears no real information and won't tell anything to anybody including me.

Ok you can all stop posting until results are out.

[Lewwyn]

I believe Rowain somehow switched abilities with Brick for the night and got this result. He then posted it when he received it so that Brick would know, and so he might misguide the night kill towards himself. I think Rowain is innocent because he would have no reason to declare my innocence if he were scum. Obviously you could say that both Rowain and I are scum together but this is stupid given he could have waited instead of immediately posting that result. If one of us is lynched and one flips scum then we both get lynched. I'm innocent and I think Rowain is innocent too, if he were scum he could have simply hid the result and I would likely be lynched for "no result".

Of course this all hinges on this having been what happened, but I think it is.