WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Ryan]

I feel bad for starting the Tasunke lynch party... Espically when I think Novice should be the ony lynched lol.

[novice]

Well as for your reasons for your vote and whether or not your play makes sense as scum, I concede that you could just be being your typical self, as Lewwyn thinks. Or maybe you saw me claim Fool and saw a chance to vote me off, or at least create yourself a "legitimate" crusade. Afterwards you realized the other heavy hitters disagreed with your assessment and you had to scramble. At this stage of the game though your antitown opinions are enough to warrant a vote.

I'm voting you and I have outlined above my reasons why that is a good vote for the town even if you happen to be town. So care to enlighten me what has been antitown so far? Also care to point where I'm scrambling away? As far as I see I'm still voting for you with reasons to boot.

The scrambling is in your initial unexplained vote followed by piling on with more and more unlikely metagame scenarios to justify why I could be scum, then followed by reasons why we should lynch me even if I'm not scum.

I mean seriously, the "we should lynch him even if he's town" line is more than enough reason to lynch you on day 1.

You bieng a town and claiming to have an item that is usefull for scum. Which leaves you as an open target for pick pocket and if we believe that your town? You claimed a lot of power man. Tasunke vs Novice.. In lynching. You gave us a lot more reasons to lynch you then anyone else up till now. You are being pretty defensive aswell and several people have stated the same reasons for lynching you . It wasnt only this guy.

I'm not sure what you're answering to here, did you quote the wrong post or something?

What do you mean, I claimed a lot of power? Have you read the other item descriptions?

Anyway, maybe you could just state with your own words what the reasons to lynch me are and why I'm the one currently most likely to be scum?

[Ryan]

Are you joking me :P I wrote them several times.. and again. Your claiming to have the card that hides your role. So by that your either trying to hide your role as scum since if someone checks you . You will be a mafia normal person. Lets say you dont and u lied? You will use that card as a fact to remain hidden. You have a lot more to gain as scum by claiming you have that card then a Mafia would. And if they have the pick pocket item they will take it from you. Or we will be blocking you and wasting our own items if we have them. You are being let of way easily. I still think you are more of a suspect then Tasunke. and we have less to lose to lynch you then if we lynched anyone else.

[novice]

Are you joking me :P I wrote them several times.. and again. Your claiming to have the card that hides your role. So by that your either trying to hide your role as scum since if someone checks you . You will be a mafia normal person. Lets say you dont and u lied? You will use that card as a fact to remain hidden. You have a lot more to gain as scum by claiming you have that card then a Mafia would. And if they have the pick pocket item they will take it from you. Or we will be blocking you and wasting our own items if we have them. You are being let of way easily. I still think you are more of a suspect then Tasunke. and we have less to lose to lynch you then if we lynched anyone else.

I'm sorry but I don't really understand this post.

By the way, you went quickly from being overwhelmed to being sure I'm our best lynch. What changed?

[Ryan]

Il rewrite it... I am sorry. Well If you want me to lurk instead of trying please tell me.

[Serdoa]

Serdoa, you sound so angry. Ease up.

I had a dentist appointment earlier, I'm always like that on those days. Sorry.

Still don't know I like the argument very much, as it does rely quite heavily on scum possessing both miller and item seer - I can't see any other situations where it's even remotely feasible as a scum claim. However, it is an argument I can see you coming up with while analysing the role descriptions, so while I'm reasonably confident novice is actually town, backing up such an argument with a vote is not actually a sure-fire indication fo scum.

Why couldn't you as easily believe my claim last game? I worked my ass off and in the end you still lynched me - novice just claims he has a card and you are actually already confident that he is town. I even saved Azza with the power I had claimed and still you guys didn't believe me. What am I doing wrong?

As for the current game: I can see your point novice, especially that you looking at it with the knowledge of being town led you to not pursue all the different possibilities. I still don't want to give you a villager-card (but I don't want to do that for anyone on D1) but I'll put my vote on someone else for now. Also, I would like not to waste the next day with more discussion on the topic what or what not one should do if he has the card.

Lets instead discuss: Qgqqqq - Anyone else finding his starting post suspicious?
Oh, and another one I find more and more suspicious is Ryan. That reads more and more like he adapted simply what others (Rowain and I) posted about novice, so that he could vote for him. I don't believe that he is actually hunting scum, but trying to appear active. Actually

Ryan

Care to explain your behaviour? Why are you just now starting to go for novice, despite you having read the arguments which you put now forth yourself much earlier already? Did you first ask the other wolfs if you should go for it?

@BRick: I did vote for myself for Mayor. That is also missing in your vote-count.

[Ryan]

From what I understood, Your saying you have the tarrot card. I am guessing that If you claimed to have that card you are scum since:
1- You are an easy pickpocket target for the *wolves*
2- You have an excuse if the seer sees that your a wolf.
3- You are claiming be to trustworthy.
4- We will be wasting the jail on you incase you are not.

Killing you has so many benefits from removing that item from the game to killing a likely scum. I dont see a better 1st day lynch.

[Ryan]

despite you having read the arguments which you put now forth yourself much earlier already?

What did you mean by that line? Sorry didnt understand what you mean. I read the points agaisnt Novice and I got convinced and formed my own points aswell. How can I even ask the wolves without writing a parchment? Isnt the parchment only useable at night?

[zakalwe]

The scum can talk together privately outside of this thread. In the old days we used email or PMs, nowadays it's a quicktopic.

Surely you knew this already?

[Ryan]

How was I supposed to know :P? I thought they pmed.