WW #41. New Horizons.

[BRickAstley]

I think this speculation about Rowain's kill is silly, I doubt we'd have two regular kill sources in a small game.

I think it wouldn't hurt to at least start throwing out partial ability claims, just to see if anything good comes of it.

I feel like something is going to come unraveled in this setup based on the abilities we have been given, but that it'll likely be in favor of the town.

I guess i'll vote novice since i think the trying to endear town cred for the lewwyn breadcrumb seems unlike town novice.

I don't feel like I am gaining much about Serdoa/zak through their fight.

I feel really disengaged from the game in general. I wasn't prepared to start a WW game this weekend.

[Rowain]

d) Besides the usual lynch-vote I don't possess any killing-power

This might be a good statement to check with the polygraph. Should be admissible, I think?

No problem from my part but most likely fall under Jabbz restriction.

My problem with you Rowain, is that you voted Novice initially as a joke vote. But you haven't actually pointed to anything in his play you consider scummy.

But you have attacked Serdoa several times, but you didn't follow that up with a vote. So, just from reading your posts without knowing yoru mind, it looks like you are suspicious of Serdoa but you don't think him worthy of a vote over joke-vote Novice. It doesn't feel right to the Glum.

I pointed out several problems I have with Serdoas posts. But so far nobody seemed to think he is scum. novice started as a joke-vote but it is his general tone and posts that make him look suspicious. With BRick and zaks vote he has currently the lead with 4 votes. So it looks as at least 1 villager shares my uneasiness with novice.

But if it doesn't feel right for you then tell me:

Do you believe my 3rd-party-claim?
If yes why does me not voting Serdoa bother you?
If no do you believe that I and Serdoa are scum-buddies using our sparring as camouflage? If so why don't you vote Serdoa then?

[novice]

Tally as of post 122:

Lynch votes
4 votes: novice (Rowain, AdrienIer, zakalwe, BRickAstley)
2 votes: BRickAstley (novice, Bacchus)
2 votes: AdrienIer (Goreripper, Gazglum)
1 votes: Bacchus (Lewwyn)
1 votes: Zakalwe (Serdoa)

Voting history:

Novice

BRickAstley

Bacchus

Goreripper

novice

Lewwyn

Zakalwe

Serdoa

BRickAstley

Zakalwe

Unvote

Goreripper

Rowain

Bacchus

AdrienIer

Goreripper

Unvote

novice

BRickAstley

unvote

AdrienIer

Novice

novice

Green votes
No votes.

[novice]

My abilties are Lockdown (jailer), Repositioning (commuter), Hackproof (bulletproof) and Anchored (lynch-immune).

[Gazglum]

I pointed out several problems I have with Serdoas posts. But so far nobody seemed to think he is scum. novice started as a joke-vote but it is his general tone and posts that make him look suspicious. With BRick and zaks vote he has currently the lead with 4 votes. So it looks as at least 1 villager shares my uneasiness with novice.

But if it doesn't feel right for you then tell me:

Do you believe my 3rd-party-claim?
If yes why does me not voting Serdoa bother you?
If no do you believe that I and Serdoa are scum-buddies using our sparring as camouflage? If so why don't you vote Serdoa then?

I initially believed your 3rd party claim. I am still inclined to believe it, but not certain. One reason to claim third party would be because you looked at the full list of programs at the start, and you don't have access to any of them. So rather than be caught out later using different powers, you claimed upfront 3rd party so you could use it as a defence if you were caught out.

Even if you are neutral, you could be lying about wanting to work with village, and I have been inclined to tihnk that way because your play has not been incisive. You vote Novice, attack Serdoa, but claim to be more suspicious of Novice - but you do nothing to question or pressure him. The fact that other players find him suspicious doesn't really answer for YOUR posts, which I find peculiar, if Novice really is your number 1 target.

Liekwise, the fact that other players don't find Serdoa suspicious shouldn't have any impact on who YOU vote for. Are we really hearing the masterful Rowain say "I couldn't vote for Serdoa because I wasn't getting support from the cheap seats?". Half way through Day 1?

So it bothers me that you didn't vote Serdoa, and that has nothing to do with being third party or no. I think it's out of character play.

I don't think you are scumbuddies, I don't think Serdoa is very likely scum. What have I said to suggest I am suspicious of Serdoa? This line of questioning feels like you are trying to muddy the waters about my motivations, drawing attention away from your play to mine.

Did you ever respond about the name of your third party faction? I would very much like to hear it. Apologies if you already have and I missed it.

I would also like to know if the names of your powers are drawn from the list we were given at the start of the game, or if they are different.

[Serdoa]

Rowain, as explained before:

first: you admit being a third party
second: I point out that there are ability descriptions that hint at a kill-ability that is non-standard
third: you state while answering me that we should not take ability descriptions as gospel

I think from this exchange between us, you had to expect me to jump to the conclusion that you have a kill-ability. After all you seemed to agree with my assertion that we have more than the standard-kills and together with you being 3rd party, whom else would I expect to have a non-standard kill?

You are right that later I misremembered what exactly you said about your ability-count. Though less than 4 seems for a 3rd party very unlikely, because you should be stronger, not weaker than a townie. I don't think it is so unbelievable that I simply assumed it would be more.

As for your kill or no-kill abilities: We have exactly your word that you can't kill. But you are not telling us how you win and we KNOW that there are more kill-abilities than the night-kill due to the ability-descriptions. So yes, I certainly don't trust you and I don't believe everything you say to be true just because you said it. Why should I - or any townie for that matter? Most of your statements so far have been rather unspecific. You keep everything behind closed doors and hide it. I'm impressed how you try to make it appear as if you are on our side, but ultimately you are not. Even that you count for our VC is only based on your words.

[Lewwyn]

Busy day again

I think you can't really give me town cred just for positing about the abilities and claiming 4 first. Maybe it makes sense in the Meta but you never know. Someone was bound to bring it up I just happened to be first.

While reading I'm still not sure about anybody, but I do think I'm willing to vote for one of Bacchus, novice and Adrien. I feel pretty good about not killing Rowain yet. Adrien for now.

[Serdoa]

My abilties are Lockdown (jailer), Repositioning (commuter), Hackproof (bulletproof) and Anchored (lynch-immune).

Hackproof, Anchored are in the same group.
Code-Redirection, Code-Blocking are in the same group.
Lockdown, Repositioning are in the same group.

[Rowain]

I don't think you are scumbuddies, I don't think Serdoa is very likely scum. What have I said to suggest I am suspicious of Serdoa?

If you don't think Serdoa is scum why do you want me to vote for him?

This line of questioning feels like you are trying to muddy the waters about my motivations, drawing attention away from your play to mine.

Do you think that learning your motivation is bad for village?

Did you ever respond about the name of your third party faction? I would very much like to hear it. Apologies if you already have and I missed it.

I have no faction-name. I have a role but no faction. and I have a singular VC which solely decides if I win or lose.

I would also like to know if the names of your powers are drawn from the list we were given at the start of the game, or if they are different.

Whatever power I have is part of the list. But it works slightly different then posted -> hence my comment about taking as gospel. I don't have a power-pair like others seem to have.

[Rowain]

@Serdoa Me not causing chaos and starting a heavy fight with someone should be reason enough to believe that I'm on town-side.