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[Broker33]

I don't really know much about CIV MM, but: My understanding is that under patch 3.19, multipliers don't count for overflow. So a whip in the circumstances you described would give 1x2 hammers to complete the library plus 29 hammer overflow into Oracle (not doubled). I think.

Hmm could be right but still may be worth it. Have to do a WB test tonight.

Civ Fanatics says

Build-specific production modifiers are no longer counted for overflow gold calculations

So I dont know if that would be just the gold calc or into another build. Probably splitting hairs but I will try it.

[Broker33]

I have another question. I plan on building a settler and worker next before oracle. (and possibly lib in between finishing oracle)

Anyway which would you build first? Worker to get to chopping first or Settler to get 2nd city up a few turns earlier?

Let me know plan on whipping warrior and putting about 20 overflow into one of them this turn. Then chop chop chop.

[RefSteel]

Yup - I was probably wrong about that; sorry. Probably worth testing as you say, but I think I just misread something in the Civfanatics discussion thread for patch 3.19.

[EDIT: And I'd start with Worker, as it can speed the Settler, but not the other way around - which means it's probably smarter to start with the Settler, since when it comes to CIV I'm often wrong!]

[Broker33]

Got the wife a puppy and I am spending alot of time chasing it and cleaning up messes. Anyway

Two turns today

Whiped warrior overflow into worker. Chop in 2 worker due in 5 minus the chop.

Next up settler 8 turns but will get in a chop or two to settle copper site. Then oracle

I will speed build a library when writing comes in overflow will be 50 something. Not a bad deal.

Priesthood in 4 Writing in 12 I think.

[Broker33]

Question

Not sure if my math is correct here but lets try this.

Turn 1

Start library with 9 hammers in and a chop

29x2=58 hammers 32 left

Turn 2 whip library for 2 pop and 14 hammers

60x2=120
14x2=28
Total 148 - 32 = 116 hammers into oracle

Turn 3 116 hammers in oracle in 3@ 14 hammers a turn?

Is that right seems nuts.

I did test it with 1 pop and the doubling worked got the full 50some hammers.

I have never used the whip like this but if that is how it works I will start

[Broker33]

Another question

I spotted a spot for the Maoi but of course very little production but there is stone.

Will the overflow double if you have a doubler?

Whip library overflow into maoi with stone doubler

1 pop whip lib with 88 of 90

58 hammers into maoi doubled to 116?

[LiPing]

Generally, you should avoid whipping warriors, they can only overflow a max of 15 hammers to the next build, and (if I remember correctly), in 3.19, you get no gold whatsoever from over-overflow due to a bug, so there is always significant wastage in the process.
(For example, if you have a warrior with say, 10 hammers in it, and whip, you get 5 for the warrior, 15 for the next build, and 10+ whatever the city would make itself on that turn are lost)

For the first Library plan, you will end up with 29 hammers in the Oracle, the bonus is only applied for the specific building, and the overflow only counts raw hammers.

Library #2 - At step 2 it will only let you whip 1 pop. Library will have 14 overflow and the 14 the city generates normally, and the total overflow to the Oracle will be 28 hammers.

Moai - You'll end up with (58+2x City's Production on that turn) Hammers into Moai, so if the city makes 10 Hammers a turn normally, you'll get 78.

[Broker33]

Generally, you should avoid whipping warriors, they can only overflow a max of 15 hammers to the next build, and (if I remember correctly), in 3.19, you get no gold whatsoever from over-overflow due to a bug, so there is always significant wastage in the process.
(For example, if you have a warrior with say, 10 hammers in it, and whip, you get 5 for the warrior, 15 for the next build, and 10+ whatever the city would make itself on that turn are lost)

For the first Library plan, you will end up with 29 hammers in the Oracle, the bonus is only applied for the specific building, and the overflow only counts raw hammers.

Library #2 - At step 2 it will only let you whip 1 pop. Library will have 14 overflow and the 14 the city generates normally, and the total overflow to the Oracle will be 28 hammers.

Moai - You'll end up with (58+2x City's Production on that turn) Hammers into Moai, so if the city makes 10 Hammers a turn normally, you'll get 78.

I did test the first plan in wb and it gave me 58 hammers into Oracle.

I will do some tests it appears that the patch may have made this more benificial.

Thanks for the info on the warrior. I didnt know that. Wont be doing that again.

[Broker33]

If sombody wants to run some whipping tests with overflow using the above scenarios it would be appriciated. No civ here at work.

If it does work the way I think I have a big advantage as I have 5 buildings that I can do that with due to my traits. Well 6 but dont expect to get to factories for awhile.

I could whip a lighthouse and get a free barraks for example Good times.

[Broker33]

Priesthood in 2

I am almost to Sunrises capital, regorarrarr and zpv are heading there also.

Next up is writing in 12, worker in 1 then settler in 10 hope to cut that to 6 with 2 chops.

Need to speed up research in order to have it done by the trade deadline. Probably run 2 scientist in capital which will probably pop a great scientst instead of a profit but I can get the profit second maybe build a temple and run a specialist for 2nd gp.

2nd city should help research

Path is writing in 12 wheel in 7 fishing in 5 then IW in 20 Hope to cut those times down with second city and specialist.