[SPOILERS] naufragar and Rusten get nickel-and-dimed

[naufragar]

We have a new city! Welcome into the world New Viron:


It's working the floodplains. Lots of commerce at this start. I'm running late this morning, so I can't expand on the name scheme. It's taken from locations in the Book of the New Sun, a speculative fiction series by my favorite author, Gene Wolfe.

Superdeath founded last turn. No one besides us founded this turn. Mr. Cairo is still to play. MSCC whipped, so I imagine that's a settler.


I'd like to think the roads mean they're settling east first but they have such good tiles south and west. On the other hand, if there's even better land to their east...

Got MSCC's graphs. They're in spoilers. Power's interesting. I can't tell what tech they got after Bronze Working. They got BW on turn 24, I think, which means they should have gotten archery before turn 30, but I don't know how else to explain what looks like a 6k power jump on turn 30. Running late, so I can't puzzle over it, but I don't think it's Archery, and at this point bowmen aren't super scary. Agg axes, which we should have in time, beat them barely. (And hey, maybe we'll even have chariots.)

Well, got to run. I've set our research slider to 0% to save a beaker, despite what the screenshots say.

[Rusten]

MSCC didn't even rename their starting city. Clearly they are of no threat to us. 

IDK how we're beating so many civs to the 2nd city, especially MSCC whose tiles we can see, but I'll take it! 
Sad to say I've not read the books, but I'll add them to my list -- looks interesting.

[DaveV]

Gene Wolfe is my favorite author; it's been a while since I read the Short Sun books so I didn't pick up on the city names right away. But thumbs up for the theme!

[shallow_thought]

Gene Wolfe is my favorite author; it's been a while since I read the Short Sun books so I didn't pick up on the city names right away. But thumbs up for the theme!

I'd been wondering about Lizard, but I knew it was ringing a bell - but it could have been the rock in the western approaches. Or, you know, a reptile. Definitely a great author - good theme.

[naufragar]

Glad that there are Wolfe fans around! And Dave, you're right. I was thinking Short Sun.    Rusten, I hate giving book suggestions because it feels like giving work, but I'd start with his Book of the Long Sun series, which is prior to Short Sun (and better, in my opinion). But the locations in that series doesn't make sense for Civ city names, for reasons I won't spoil.

No idea what to make of the event log:



MSCC whipped into a granary. They are Cre/Cha, so I'd expect them to be slower to a second city than all the Exp civs. They were at 3 pop for a while, however, and I don't know what one does at three pop other than settlers. Maybe the settler has a long walk.



Got Superdeath's graphs:


I've fiddled with EP, so we'll end up with 43EP on Superdeath at the end of this turn. We're putting 2pts into Cairo.

[naufragar]

Well. The Colossus-Oracle guy just killed his neighbor, who was going to be his only real rival for a religion.  

Spotted Magic Science's scout on its way back home. Judging from it's facing, that was an aggressive trespass.


MSCC and Superdeath are now at peace.

Rusten, I'm taking shots of the graphs each turn, but I won't post them unless I see something interesting. If you want them, I've got them. I'm going to have a house guest over the weekend. I should be able to get to all the turns, but if I'm incommunicado, that's why.

[Rusten]

Well that's not good. Hopefully those two were not far off to side in typical B&S fashion. Colossus-Oracle would have tons of room to expand in addition to create their wonders then. Their advantage is so huge. One thing is to raze a nearby capital early for more space, but to actually keep it as well!? What on earth was Borsche doing!?

I'd be interested to know if any of our 3 neighbours have met one of the two. Mr. Cairo seems the best way. Could you take a look at his EP on us/SD/MSCC next time you log in and see if you find any missing numbers? Might be worth checking SD too, we know he met someone before us and that it wasn't MSCC. But good chances it was Mr. Cairo. Current EP and the espionage graph will shed some light.

edit: To make things even worse I'm fairly sure Borsche was the other civ to go work boat first, so they've even got an improvement ready to grow on most likely. Don't even need the immediate worker. 
Although to be fair Borsche couldn't have pillaged his land resources in any case. I just don't understand how he couldn't whip or chop out a warrior in time. If Boak/GKC actually killed a defending warrior then that's absolutely ridiculous and they deserve 100 consecutive slave revolts in their cities.

[Zed-F]

Borche had a defense plan but it didn’t work out the way he expected.

[naufragar]

Superdeath found us. Warrior still a ways out, so trespass would be annoying. Camping a resource would screw us up, but we'd kill his scout. Took pics of EP points. Will try to figure out if anybody knows/knew GeneralKilCav or Borsche. (Pic taken before changing micro. Now working mine and putting a turn into a settler.) If SD war-peaces us, I think we should only accept a ceasefire, not a treaty.

[naufragar]

Superdeath poked inside our borders to get vision of our cap. I took his ceasefire.


We now have a warrior, so we're no longer naked. Annoyingly, we were one beaker off AH.