January 11th, 2013, 03:04
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(January 10th, 2013, 23:54)Mattimeo Wrote: Yesterday I voted Azza pretty much solely based on assumptions about the meta of the lockpicks. Revealing Tasunke's lie was, in my opinion, equally likely to be good town play or good scum play that had the added benefit of resembling good town play.
Serdoa's point today about Azza's stated reasoning being suspect is an interesting one that I hadn't actually thought about. Primarily the "if he was village, I didn't trust him to be able to use it effectively." Tasunke lied. Village doesn't lie. Him possibly being village should not have come into the equation. Him possibly being village is something you come up with after he turns up village, in an attempt to justify setting up town.
You don't need to justify it. He lied about a claim, and was caught. He was obviously scum.
(above from point of view of an Azza who knows his own alignment to be town)
Seems like you completely missed the point here. "I didn't trust him to use it effectively" was something Azza said when explaining why he chose to steal from Tasunke. It is suspicious because it reads like a justification of the decision, appealing for sympathy by painting Tasunke in a bad light. But you're saying it's suspicious because Azza should know that Tasunke was a liar. How would Azza know Tasunke was lying when making the decision to steal from him?
If you know what I mean.
January 11th, 2013, 03:05
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(January 11th, 2013, 02:59)Selrahc Wrote: Azza
You post pages and pages of meta fluff, and when you finally deign to cast a vote, this is all we get?
If you know what I mean.
January 11th, 2013, 04:20
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(January 11th, 2013, 03:04)zakalwe Wrote: Seems like you completely missed the point here. Yes.
(January 11th, 2013, 02:59)Selrahc Wrote: Azza Selrahc
-- Don’t forget.
Always, somewhere,
someone is fighting for you.
-- As long as you remember her,
you are not alone.
January 11th, 2013, 05:14
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(January 11th, 2013, 03:05)zakalwe Wrote: (January 11th, 2013, 02:59)Selrahc Wrote: Azza
You post pages and pages of meta fluff, and when you finally deign to cast a vote, this is all we get?
I posted an argument on Azza yesterday. I just didn't attach a vote to it. I was hoping people were able to make the link between the thing I said and the way I voted, without repetition.
January 11th, 2013, 10:00
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(January 11th, 2013, 05:14)Selrahc Wrote: (January 11th, 2013, 03:05)zakalwe Wrote: (January 11th, 2013, 02:59)Selrahc Wrote: Azza
You post pages and pages of meta fluff, and when you finally deign to cast a vote, this is all we get?
I posted an argument on Azza yesterday. I just didn't attach a vote to it. I was hoping people were able to make the link between the thing I said and the way I voted, without repetition.
If something in real-life is making you post less you need to call it. This happened in WW3 to where you were the only wolf lyched vs. a weak town--were you failed to talk about real-life issues.
I could see myself voting azza if you make a strong defense/attack soon.
January 11th, 2013, 10:23
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Zak, what are your thoughts about Azza?
January 11th, 2013, 12:32
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I think all the speculation about would or would he not do this or that as town is ultimately WIFOM. Like Serdoa says, scum love to do protown things to make themselves look good. And I don't like the way he tried to justify his actions by painting Tasunke in a bad light. I also got the feeling he knows too much on a couple of occasions, just like in WW17.
So there are your test answers. Can I laugh at you now?
Are you saying you'd rather lynch Azza than Selrahc?
If you know what I mean.
January 11th, 2013, 13:09
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Official Lynch Vote Count
Selrahc - 7 - MJW, Serdoa, uberfish, zakalwe, Azza, Mattimeo
zakalwe - 3 - Lewwyn, pindicator, Qgqqqqq
Azza - 2 - waterbat, Selrahc
Players not voting: None
Just over three hours remaining.
Also, I will not be able to be at the computer for the last hour and a bit after of the day. Therefore, Commodore is covering the final votes and vote count and death announcement.
January 11th, 2013, 13:14
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You can laugh all you want.
As for Azza vs. Selrahc, i'm trying to decide between one of them or if it's worth staying on you.
But i asked you about Azza b/c you've never questioned him or his motives. You've commented in post 1275 that yoy wanted to hear Azza's reason for using the picks, and then in 1330 said you agreed that Azza gave bad reasons for why he attempted to steal, but you never follow that up with questions of your own against him. Further, in the same post that you said Azza gave bad reasons you then discredit the case on him as being "for not coming up with a bunch of meta theories on how to exploit the lock picks." You also discredit the case like this in post 1326.
Btw, took me ten minutes to research this. Just use waterbat's tool and search for Azza's name in your posts.
So if you agree Azza's given bad reasons, help me understand why you are discrediting the case against him??
Additional curiosities:
1068 & 1205 - more defending Azza? questioning his attackers
805, 809, 811 - you never doubt azza's reveal and 816 even sets up a situation where Azza could be wrong by being jailed. Sounds like you're unsure about Tasunke but sure about Azza
January 11th, 2013, 13:18
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Also, I just noticed that the forum time is off again. Therefore, deadline will not be determined by the Realms Beyond clock, but instead will be determined by when the clock hits 2200GMT on http://www.timeanddate.com/. That website looks to be reliable and you can watch the time in GMT or the local timezone of your choice.
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