WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[zakalwe]

So what's the case against Gaspar, Injera? If the case against thestick is so weak, show us a better case.

[Tasunke]

Also Sareln, what the hell with that Amtrak trains excerpt? I think its almost worse than my book report from last game.

I completely overlooked it at first, but I am re-reading now (and it really stuck out, for me), and for you to do something like this ... perhaps a scumtell?

[zakalwe]

So I'm leary of a "case" against someone who in the past has been viewed as wolfish, especially on the basis of one post.

Also... one post is all we have from thestick. So I don't think you're painting a wholly accurate picture here.

[Ichabod]

Bleh, I'm actually going to just walk away for a bit. I keep looking at this sequence of events:

• Catwalk announces he's going to be AFK on Day 1.
  
• I suggest Catwalk might lurk as scum because he's less comfortable lying.
  
• Others agree with that assessment.
  
• Injera leaps to his defense and attacks me.
  
• Catwalk finds he has time to play.
  

And finding it incredibly suspicious. Of course, logically I understand that Injera is unlikely to make so obvious a slip. But I can't stop fixating on it.

Nonetheless, Injera.

I find this post by gaspar a bit suspicious. Meiz kind of thought similarly, but my thoughts are a bit different.

Meiz post:

Game setup stated that there is no traditional seer, so running for mayor is not that big of a risk as usually.

Gaspar, so you're saying that both injera and catwalk would be wolves? If that's the case, wouldn't it then make more sense to go for catwalk, since he has already votes on him?

Gaspar answer (easy one to make, if wolf or village):

No, I 100% believe you and I don't want to start getting specific about people's real lives - I think that's unfair. My comment was more in the generic.



Well, I suppose I am. But I could also conceive a wolf Injera who knows alignment could be defending Catwalk here to gain cred when he does die. I see a wolf Catwalk and an innocent Injera as a less likely scenario.

My problem with Gaspar post is his fifth comment. This one:

"[*]Catwalk finds he has time to play."

What does it have to do with the rest of the post? As far as I can tell, nothing. Gaspar already admitted that his early comment about Catwalk probably lurking as scum wasn't one directed to his behaviour here, but only an hipothethical one. So, I get, from that, that he didn't suspecy Catwalk.

His case in this post, as can be seen by his vote, was against Injera. He suspected Injera due to the Catwalk defense. So why add that little snippet about Catwalk finding time to play? The only explanation I can see for this is an attempt to herd the cats, to add strenght to his argument based on a thing that doesn't have to do with the argument itself, it's just indiciary.

Thing is, that's not how Gaspar usually rolls when he's a villager. He's not a cat herder. If Zak made the same thing (and he did things similarly this game already, like inflating the interpretation of a post to make his case better), it wouldn't be a scum tell, becuase that's Zak's way of playing.

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The vote against thestick seems like a nice one. I agree with the reasoning behind it, but those multi-quote posts aren't only a wolf thing. I tend to do them when I miss the thread for a long time and I have a lot of posts to read. Every interesting post during the time I'm reading gets quoted and later I comment on some/all of them. But, yeah, there wasn't much of a thread to read when he made that.

So, I wouldn't mind with a thestick lynch, but I don't want to vote for him right now.

[novice]

I'm also keeping my vote on Thestick until someone can convince me there's a better lynch target.

I've also got my eye on Uberfish, for giving me the WW6 feel, only thing I've noticed from him so far has been the "don't vote yourself for mayor" game theory thing. And I'm watching Bigger, his posts haven't felt right so far.

Of course we still need to hear more from a number of people - Selrahc hasn't even posted yet.

[Injera]

Any reason, waterbat?

So what's the case against Gaspar, Injera? If the case against thestick is so weak, show us a better case.

Well, I didn't like the initial Catwalk vote. I mean, someone opens up by saying they might not be around for the next 48 hours and you vote for them?
If it's a joke vote what's funny ha ha about it?

Then this:

Rowain, looks like you're going to have some competition for Gaspar fan club president. Obvscumalwe will also be in the mix before too long. Going to definitely need to up t-shirt production.

(Catwalk vote was a joke vote, but not going to lie that starting the game with that post seems very Molach-ian. Catwalk also strikes me as someone who would lurk if scum, since he'd probably not be at all comfortable with it.)

There are a couple of things here. First, this is an overreaction to what amounted to a pair of votes less than an hour into the game. Second, he's calling his Catwalk vote a joke vote while simultaneous sticking up for it. He's equivocating on it, he's not standing by it but can't let it go without providing a reason. You pointed out that the read, "Catwalk would lurk if scum" was a good insight but ask yourself why is it there in the first place?

[Injera]

Also... one post is all we have from thestick. So I don't think you're painting a wholly accurate picture here.

No, it's wholly accurate, just a misreading. We only have one post to judge him on so far. I wasn't saying "don't judge him based on one post of many" but "don't judge him based on one post, period."

[Catwalk]

Game setup stated that there is no traditional seer, so running for mayor is not that big of a risk as usually.

I feel quite certain that there is something close enough to a seer that it's still a risky play as a wolf. A wolf might not reason that way of course, but if so I think he'll choke on it. Same reasoning could be used to vote zakalwe mayor, but I think novice is a better hunter whenever he's not a wolf.

Ichabod, I think you have a good point about Gaspar there. I do have an argument against it, but I think I'll be a good townie for a change and let Gaspar answer for himself. I also find it a little suspicious he'd vote for me rather than Injera, given his earlier suspicion of me.

[novice]

I've typed up my interpretation of the Catwalk-Gaspar events, and IMO there's nothing fishy about Gaspar's behaviour. But I'll shelf my interpretation and let Gaspar speak for himself.

X-post with Catwalk who has the same idea, apparently.

[Injera]

His case in this post, as can be seen by his vote, was against Injera. He suspected Injera due to the Catwalk defense. So why add that little snippet about Catwalk finding time to play? The only explanation I can see for this is an attempt to herd the cats, to add strenght to his argument based on a thing that doesn't have to do with the argument itself, it's just indiciary.

Yes, his case against me seems to crucially involve both Catwalk and I being wolves, otherwise his evidence wouldn't make sense, but he can't bring himself to say that. Just like the line I posted earlier about Catwalk- in context it was clearly meant as some sort of justification to his vote, but later he claims it was only meant to be something to keep in mind for the future.