WW24: The Ashes of Brigdarrow: VILLAGE WINS

[slowcheetah]

Why would I "intentionally" "glimpse over" that post? Why not just avoid mentioning it in that case? That quote by me just shows that I thought his post was an obvious joke, to the extent that his self-vote didn't really register. I believe Slowcheetah had the same reaction.

Actually my initial reaction was confusion. My funny bone was feeling a bit lethargic yesterday morning.

[novice]

Tiebreaks

There are no mayoral elections, instead a random player will decide ties each day.

If there are 2 players left and no Day powers apply, the day result will automatically be a no lynch and tiebreak mechanisms will not come into play.

If there a tie it will be broken by random dice roll.

Q, what is the tiebreak mechanism?
Also, the opening post still says that the thread is closed.

[Gazglum]

I agree that Gazglum's interaction with BRick was odd (and I'm not saying that to bribe Serdoa). Gazglums behaviour reminded me of that scene in Saving Private Ryan where one soldier fights hand to hand with another in an attic, and he ends up lying on top of his adversary, gently shushing him while pushing a dagger into his chest.

I was just trying to be a nice guy...

I think the key point about my murderous shushing of Brick is that I wasn't trying to shut him up forever. I wanted to wait and hear from the rest of the players. Having Lewwyn - Brick - Gazglum accusations cycling around with increasing intensity was clearly leading to short tempers, and I thought not much new information was coming out. BUt also, when you're stuck in an echo chamber like that, it makes you focus on the case right in front of you, and like Rowain, I wanted to look at other cases as well, because I wasn't sold on Brick. I'm glad that the net has spread wider now, hopefully it will give useful clues in future days.

But I assumed that when everyone else came back online, Brick would keep talking. I don't much like that he's kept his head down since, especially after saying that he was going to try and make cases on people. The only case he went for since then, Lewwyn, I think was very weak indeed.

Also, glancing back at some of the games, he wasn't mislynched in either of his last games that I could see, and in WW20 he barely seemed to be a candidate on Day 1. So I'm less convinced by his explosion of righteous fury.

[slowcheetah]

I'm off to bed and probably wont be back before deadline. There doesn't appear to be any traction for an Ichabod vote, so I've done a very quick reread. Azza, Brick and Gazglum look like the most likely overall lynches.

As said before I think Azza is likely innocent (or at least hasn't done anything particularly scummy for Azza).
I actually have sympathy for brick in his case, which seems to be based around a nonchalant first post and then a freak out upon being confronted by a wild Lewwyn. I've been asked penetrating questions by Lewwyn as both villager and scum (I even nicked his nose once) and even when I was a villager it scared the bejeesus out of me. Coupled to a pretty much universal desire to get past the crapshoot that is day one and I can see why he got annoyed.

I think this argument the arguments from Zakalwe of Gazglum winning town credit by being reasonable to brick are the strongest of three most likely lynchees. Making scum posts is hard, when I've been a wolf I've always been scrabbling around trying to say something to appear useful, "comforting" a fellow player seems a pretty good wolf move to me.

As a fallback candidate, I guess I'd still consider Gazglum. If Brick is innocent, then I think Gazglum's post here is a bit wolfish (just quoting the first sentence):

(Yesterday 02:34)Gazglum Wrote: Don't be so downhearted Brick.


In that post, he's pushing him gently and gallantly towards the gallows. I could see myself making a similar post if I were scum.

[slowcheetah]

Oops forgot to actually vote

Gazglum

[Gazglum]

Im back, weapons charged and reporting for duty sah!

For teh Emprah!

I'm not at all a fan of Tasunke's play so far, what there is of it. Last game we played together he sat out Day 1 as well, and wasn't lynched or modkilled for it - I can see that he might want to try mimicking that as scum. Given how Day 1 always ends in hanging someone who was moderately vocal, lurking through it is a pretty safe strategy. And then he shows up a few hours after we've said he should be replaced.

Now you're here Tasunke, what do you think?

[Gazglum]

I'm not convinced by Azzas explanation as stated earlier. I can see how his first post can be understood as one big joke, now after all his explanations. But that it took a day just to get it out of him is just weird. And when I reread it, it reads not so much as if he would provide explanations but more like others provide the explanations for him and he just has to agree to them. I still don't like it. I also don't like novices post. He writes

That makes sense. I reread the thread and I can totally see where Serdoa is coming from. When you said "because I felt like it" that felt like an inadequate explanation, because the self-vote implies some sort of gambit. But actually it was part of the joke.

Not only does this not feel "real" for me but constructed (the last sentence sounds... rough and not really matching up with the other parts imo), but also when Azza first wrote his "I felt like it" the only reaction from novice was to comment on all the cases except Bricks with

The other cases being pushed smell of poisoned wine to me, so I really can't decide what glass to drink from.

So back then it was smelling like poisoned wine but now he can understand where I am coming from? Isn't it hilarious that you just come around to actually understand my case when Azza has delivered finally his explanation so that you can instantly again dismiss it? And lets keep in mind that Azza only delivered that explanation because you questioned him about it, asking

I understand the miller claim, that's a funny and obvious joke IMO. But why the self-vote, Azza?

Lets see, what did I write as the first point of my case in my very first post:

I really, really don't like this. We know that in this setup there is no miller so obviously it is a lie / joke. But his self-vote on top is imo just used to discourage anyone from voting him.

So let me get this straight novice. You dismissed my case, agreeing with slowcheetah who had stated that my argument isn't working because Azzas post made him to a talking point and did not deflect attention away from him (something I claimed and what I still stand by, believing that Azza would have skated along if I hadn't called him out, because when I did he had already at least 3 people who did read it, comment on it and not act on it [novice, zak, slow]). And now, nearly 1 and a half day later you ask Azza about exactly the point that was the reason for me to look at him.

Quite honestly, I have a hard time believing that. But it gets better. Because you already commented on that self-vote post from him:

Oh and hilarious opening post by Azza.

That was your first reaction to that post. No questioning, no nothing. You've glimpsed over it. I think intentionally. I think you didn't want to see it. And I think you asked Azza only now because you two realized that the votes are not going away.

I feel like there are two parallel discussions happening at the moment, so I'll hop the fence for a moment here.

Serdoa, first off I think you're town, and I think your initial case against Azza had merit although he hasn't given us a lot to go on since. I don't think Azza has been helpful today, spending the whole time just counterattacking and defending, but I can see him doing that as a pressured town or as scum.

But I think you need to take a breather with this post. You're accusing Novice based on his interactions with Azza, and if I'm reading you right you're saying that scummy Novice is covering for scummy Azza? You have some history of homing in on scum pairs early in the game, and last time you were wrong. If there's only 2-3 wolves in this setup, the chances of them being Novice and Azza are very small.

Day 1 it's hard enough to find one wolf, you shouldn't start looking for a second.

[Lewwyn]

Azza and Mattimeo were both on Tasunke? Odd place to park your votes considering he hadn't shown up at all.

This is why I have my vote on Mattimeo and why Azza and I were fighting. Though now that Tasunke has appeared in thread I think he should be fair game... he hasn't post in 4-5 hours since he said I'm here.

After reading the newest contributions I feel very similar to Zak. I think both Brick and Gaz are viable candidates for scum. Gun to my head, who I think is scummier is that nerve stapling Brick. His play is very reminiscent of that game for me.

[Lewwyn]

Crossposted with Gazglum being a pretty villagery gazglum.

[Qgqqqqq]

Tiebreaks

There are no mayoral elections, instead a random player will decide ties each day.

If there are 2 players left and no Day powers apply, the day result will automatically be a no lynch and tiebreak mechanisms will not come into play.

If there a tie it will be broken by random dice roll.

Q, what is the tiebreak mechanism?
Also, the opening post still says that the thread is closed.

I know, I'll get to the first post soon.
There is no contradiction there - sequence of events is: I pick a candidate (sorry, roll) who acts as mayor -> mayor is not on target -> random dice roll decides.