WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Mattimeo]

And if someone other than novice is night killed tonight then I think we may have to address why he is still alive.

Can't tell if baiting scum to keep novice alive, or is scum and planning on keeping novice alive to look back at this statement tomorrow....

[Rowain]

Right Rowain, I assume you are refering here to Gaspars post #1227, when he lays out his claims about you.

Correct

So this is a recap of your game so far, which if I had to guess at that time covered about 75 posts? If so missing some out and summarising is the only approach that makes sense, so omitted posts is perfectly reasonable, onto misreading posts:

He used waterbats tool to get all my posts. So him missing soemis not really reasonable. The fact that he misses those that don't fit in his theory is very lucky for him isn't it.

1. Piggybacking Novice - you quote novice say agreed and echo his vote... looks like a fair call to me

You do miss that I called Bigger suspicious for his BW- earlier before novice even made his post. Ichabod did find that why don't you and Gaspar?

6. The 9 posts - He is correct, you do ask a lot of questions, or do no content posts without giving your feel on any matters, and that is a fairly scummy play

Yes but I did question first Qg whom I voted for at that time. And when I was finished with Qg I switched to pindicator with reference to his posting about which I already taked at night. I did question catwalk and waterbat to look for more talk than just pindicator is scum. And I did defend my vote vs pindicator.

In summary there is a mild exageration in one or two of his posts, but generally I don't see what you are upset about, much less how you could make a case against him from it

His accussation of piggybacking novice is wrong because I suspected Bigger before novice mentioned him and his accussation of no thought ofmayself is wrong because I talked about pindicator severaltimes. So he misses 2 points that speak against his theory. He also accusses Meiz wrongly which makes it 3 accussing posts by Gaspar with errorrs in them in all 3 cases.

Why are you defending him?

[Catwalk]

I'm going to have to mostly sit this game out. I don't mean to abandon it, but shit is hitting the fan in the offline world. I will keep playing my two PBEMs as well, not really reporting anymore either. I will cast votes and make minor comments, but you probably won't get much from me either in terms of accusations or defenses. If you think you have enough to go on to vote for me, go for it. If any substantial accusations are made that I can respond to, I will make an effort to do so. I feel the previous accusations have stuck to me and won't go away until I manage to somehow prove my innocence, so I'm not going to comment much on them unless someone thinks there's something I haven't addressed at all.

I'm sorry about this, but please believe that the situation would be the same regardless of my alignment. It's nothing to do with WW, and I actually did enjoy the game after me and Serdoa calmed down. I hope to post my thoughts on D3 sometime tonight, but no promises.

[Jkaen]

He used waterbats tool to get all my posts. So him missing soemis not really reasonable. The fact that he misses those that don't fit in his theory is very lucky for him isn't it.

You really expect somebody to give a post by post review of circa 75 posts?

You do miss that I called Bigger suspicious for his BW- earlier before novice even made his post. Ichabod did find that why don't you and Gaspar?

Stating you find somebody suspicious and actually placing a vote on them, can be very different things. I am not saying it is a scum tell specifically. Even if you did find somebody suspicious, then once Novice had voted for them thought you may get traction on the vote, hence moved across to it. I agree that could well be a villager move, but your vote still followed Novice's

Yes but I did question first Qg whom I voted for at that time. And when I was finished with Qg I switched to pindicator with reference to his posting about which I already taked at night. I did question catwalk and waterbat to look for more talk than just pindicator is scum. And I did defend my vote vs pindicator.

My view, is any one or two of these questioning votes by itself is nothing, and what I would expect from any player. Its just so many back to back without your own conclusions that I think stood out to Gaspar (and me)

His accussation of piggybacking novice is wrong because I suspected Bigger before novice mentioned him and his accussation of no thought ofmayself is wrong because I talked about pindicator severaltimes. So he misses 2 points that speak against his theory. He also accusses Meiz wrongly which makes it 3 accussing posts by Gaspar with errorrs in them in all 3 cases.

I dont think a mention of sombody without any real push means a vote follow isnt piggy backing, you do. I also dont think its important anyway. I also think in that group of questions you dont present your arguments just ask for other peoples, regardless of who you mention during your questioning

Why are you defending him?

Erm because you asked me to. You said

What do you make out that Gaspar has misread posts/obmitted posts to make his attacks on Meiz and me?

so I answered your question.

[Rowain]

He did look through the post and yes if he uses my posts to accuse me then i do expect him to go through them and see those that are contrary to his theory. That he completly neglects them is for me the scumtell and why I attack him. That you have not looked into the case of him attacking Meiz on wrong reasons is strange too.

[Jkaen]

He did look through the post and yes if he uses my posts to accuse me then i do expect him to go through them and see those that are contrary to his theory. That he completly neglects them is for me the scumtell and why I attack him. That you have not looked into the case of him attacking Meiz on wrong reasons is strange too.

Sigh,

Not really strange no Rowain, however by all means point me to his accusation post and I will review that too if it keeps you happy, but given I found no evidence in his post about you, I doubt i will find it against Meiz either

[Jkaen]

If its post 1198, then I generally agree with his post analysis, don't agree with his Meiz baseline however, and hence don't agree with the conclusion, but don't find it at all scummy

[Rowain]

Its 1210 I believe you starting point could be Meiz post

[Meiz]

@Jkaen, it's post http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showpost....count=1210
Doesn't really fit to Rowain's case though.

[Meiz]

Or in a way it does. Suspects me, Ichabod points false information and he doesn't go back to verify, just says it doesn't tell anything one way or another.