WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[Jkaen]

I must be looking at things wrong, I dont see a single thing in that post even worth commenting on.

If its the fact that he didn't go back and check somebodies source, as I commented I think on Sareln's accusations at the start of day 2, I think lots of people are guilty of doing just that.

[Rowain]

So me questioning people while i do give a vote and my reasons behind it is a scumtell but smoebody else throwing accussations around without bothering if they are right is just good village play?
Interesting.

[uberfish]

*meta*

Ok I feel this game has reached a crisis point in terms of playability. It's clear we have far too many posts and people are unable to keep up. I don't think having about 1/3 of the game being essentially inactive makes for an enjoyable game for anyone.

I see a few possible solutions

1 - Find replacement players somehow
2 - The GM kills off a proportional number of scum and town inactive players
3 - Everyone who's hyper active cuts down on their posting for now to make the game easier for those with limited time to follow
4 - Extend deadlines
5 - Abandon the game with no result

Sorry to be so meta, but I think we have to do something to keep the game actually playable and not degenerate into a series of essentially forced policy lynches.

[Twinkletoes89]

I agree uberfish.

I only sign up when I have the time to play and it annoys me when people sign up then keep saying they are unavailable (though I understand clearly how things can suddenly come up) repetitively over the games.

[Gaspar]

@Meiz - Ichabod made the accusation, he's usually meticulous, I didn't bother to check to see if he actually was speaking truth. Either way, I didn't think it relevant so it didn't seem worth checking into.

@Rowain - Yes, I am the first person in the history of the world to select those things which make my case and miss somethings which do not.

Bottom line, and probably why I'm such a crap catherder, I make most of my reads by feel and then go back to add some evidence to try and convince others. Your Day 2 felt scummy and that was that. Your Day 3 was just completely useless. So I'm prepared to look away for a day if you're not just going to throw a "Gaspar was mean to me" temper tantrum for the rest of the game, like you usually do when someone makes a case against you. If that's what you're going to do, then you make the best policy lynch on the board.

[Rowain]

@uberfish
Of those solutions you mention only 5 is in any way feasable.
1) Impossible as the others are spoiled (not from knowing who is or is not scum but from reading form the outside and reading the comment s of the Lurkerthread = they have info and impressions noone her has.

2) that requires that both sides have an equal proportion of really inactive players. What if some wolves decided to play the game Molach-like; what if all wolves are active and only villagers have time-constrictions?

3) Hard to do else it says :Xy doesn't participate, yz doesn't defend as he usual does, zx is so silent clearly a wolf etc etc.

4) Doesn't matter: Those that are really time-costricted would have even more to read and the rest would get bored.

5) Doable but thats a thing I'm against. Abandoning a game while running is bad and honestly it would set an example that say wolves (or village) can destroy a game before they lose.

AFAIK we had dscussions to limit posts before but all games sofar have refraid to impress such a limitations on players. Perhaps next time say no mor than 20 players?

[Rowain]

Your Day 3 was just completely useless. So I'm prepared to look away for a day if you're not just going to throw a "Gaspar was mean to me" temper tantrum for the rest of the game, like you usually do when someone makes a case against you. If that's what you're going to do, then you make the best policy lynch on the board.

Thank god your days have been so usefull till now . Whats the word? Hypocrite.

[pindicator]

There's a silver lining. Wolves would have to assume Mero was telling the truth, so if Catwalk is a villager, those who were arguing that Mero was lying seem pretty villagerish to me.

If wolves assume he was telling the truth, wouldn't they want to lynch him? Night killing him would then take one of their own with him, if he had been honest.

Ah, we're back to Thestick's failure to vote bigger.

There were a whole lot of people who could have moved to bigger with thestick if they wanted to, we now have confirmed that there were enough town on that move to provide some cover - Sareln must have looked like an easy mislynch, I might have looked like one too at the time, and Mero initiated the move.

I think the probable scenario, then, is that the mafia were quite capable of saving thestick if they so chose but decided not to. Therefore I'm now leaning innocent on Catwalk. Pind gets no town cred for this, because he switched to Mero which could be an early attempt to frame the move as scummy.

Consider the scenario in which bigger was lynched and flipped town d1: it's highly likely that thestick would have been up on the block again soon enough. He could potentially have used his fake claim to try and fabricate a watcher guilty on someone, but I think it'd be hard for him to win that 1v1 without scum exposing themselves to support him.

So, then, if mafia decided to sacrifice a decently strong power role. there's no way they don't try to extract as much cover from that as possible by putting people on thestick's wagon.

It's like you read my last post, disregarded it, and then came to the same conclusion while still saying I'm scum.

Also, if catwalk ever turns out to be scum, you are so buddy buddy with him this seems over the top. To say you are "now" leaning innocent on him? You've been defending him all game! Actually, why does deciding the mafia chose not to save thestick give catwalk a village lean?


I also agree that the format here is daunting. I'm relieved that there are "only" 300-some posts to dig through in Day 3? That's nuts

[Gaspar]

Thank god your days have been so usefull till now . Whats the word? Hypocrite.

Toys. Pram. Yawn.

[pindicator]

At who lewwyn?

Forgot to add - this pinged on my scumdar
Following along, not responding, but eager to see if Lewwyn's given him an easy target for the next day? And yet no posts from Qgqqqqq after Lewwyn explains himself.