Hearthstone

[Kuro]

Call pet into Savana Highmane FTW!

It is still a random card. Sorry.

It's not random, you draw the next card from your deck. Just place Call Pet as the 5th card of the deck and Highmane as 6th. Go first, play call pet when you draw it on turn 2. Go second, play call pet with coin on turn 1. Both times, you'll draw the Savanna. Not random at all.

Far Sight (is it, the 3 mana shaman card?) would also be pretty good.

Maybe these cards need a change in the non-random mode. Maybe.

Which is exactly my point on how a non-random mode restricts card design, as well. How do you design cost reduction abilities when you can always choose what you reduce the cost of?

[flugauto]

Maybe these cards need a change in the non-random mode. Maybe.

"Hunters don't need a nerf" - Blizzard.

MAYBE they dont. More tests.

Which is exactly my point on how a non-random mode restricts card design, as well. How do you design cost reduction abilities when you can always choose what you reduce the cost of?

Maybe Call Pet is ok the way it is. Lets test it.

[Kuro]

Maybe these cards need a change in the non-random mode. Maybe.

"Hunters don't need a nerf" - Blizzard.

MAYBE they dont. More tests.

Which is exactly my point on how a non-random mode restricts card design, as well. How do you design cost reduction abilities when you can always choose what you reduce the cost of?

Maybe Call Pet is ok the way it is. Lets test it.

1. Even if it is balanced, that kind of power creep kills a game.

2. If you want. Shall I make another decklist? I, at the least, have a devilish potential opening scenario in mind for Pirates of all things to face.

[flugauto]

Maybe these cards need a change in the non-random mode. Maybe.

"Hunters don't need a nerf" - Blizzard.

MAYBE they dont. More tests.

Which is exactly my point on how a non-random mode restricts card design, as well. How do you design cost reduction abilities when you can always choose what you reduce the cost of?

Maybe Call Pet is ok the way it is. Lets test it.

1. Even if it is balanced, that kind of power creep kills a game.

2. If you want. Shall I make another decklist? I, at the least, have a devilish potential opening scenario in mind for Pirates of all things to face.

Of course. Lets see the pirates in action.

[Kuro]

Maybe these cards need a change in the non-random mode. Maybe.

"Hunters don't need a nerf" - Blizzard.

MAYBE they dont. More tests.

Which is exactly my point on how a non-random mode restricts card design, as well. How do you design cost reduction abilities when you can always choose what you reduce the cost of?

Maybe Call Pet is ok the way it is. Lets test it.

1. Even if it is balanced, that kind of power creep kills a game.

2. If you want. Shall I make another decklist? I, at the least, have a devilish potential opening scenario in mind for Pirates of all things to face.

Of course. Lets see the pirates in action.

I'll try and make a deck now, though I don't play much Hunter, but I just want to post the idea I had in mind: T1 Coin -> Call Pet into Tundra Rhino, T2 Call Pet -> Savannah Highmane, T3 1 mana Tundra Rhino + 2 mana Savannah Highmane, hit face or clear as needed (Note I still have a full hand too).

Also could be fun with Starving Buzzard...

[flugauto]

I'll try and make a deck now, though I don't play much Hunter, but I just want to post the idea I had in mind: T1 Coin -> Call Pet into Tundra Rhino, T2 Call Pet -> Savannah Highmane, T3 1 mana Tundra Rhino + 2 mana Savannah Highmane, hit face or clear as needed (Note I still have a full hand too).

Also could be fun with Starving Buzzard...

You see, it is fun to build this kind of decks. Non-random draw is not bad.

[Sir Bruce]

Going through the exercise to make combos is indeed fun! Actually playing them on a ladder for an extended period of time is what I (and others) are saying wouldn't be very fun, at least not for very long. It's like those ridiculous OTK for every class videos - neat little puzzles that would be terrible for the game if they were actually viable.

[flugauto]

Going through the exercise to make combos is indeed fun! Actually playing them on a ladder for an extended period of time is what I (and others) are saying wouldn't be very fun, at least not for very long. It's like those ridiculous OTK for every class videos - neat little puzzles that would be terrible for the game if they were actually viable.

Why not? Too scary?

[Sir Bruce]

If there was a deck that could easily win against all comers the game would be boring. Removing degenerate cards/combos is good game design.

[Kuro]

I'll try and make a deck now, though I don't play much Hunter, but I just want to post the idea I had in mind: T1 Coin -> Call Pet into Tundra Rhino, T2 Call Pet -> Savannah Highmane, T3 1 mana Tundra Rhino + 2 mana Savannah Highmane, hit face or clear as needed (Note I still have a full hand too).

Also could be fun with Starving Buzzard...

You see, it is fun to build this kind of decks. Non-random draw is not bad.

Fun to build, maybe, not fun to play. Though I probably wouldn't like making these without us being in a discussion over it to be honest.

0:
2x Hunter's Mark

1:
2x Webspinner

2:
2x Mad Scientist
1x Freezing Trap
1x Snake Trap
2x Call Pet
2x Haunted Creeper
2x Knife Juggler

3:
x2 Eaglehorn Bow
x2 Animal Companian
x2 Kill Command
x2 Unleash the Hounds

4:
1x Houndmaster
1x Cult Master
1x Piloted Shredder

5:
1x Loatheb
1x Tundra Rhino

6:
x2 Savannah Highmane

7:
1x Dr. Boom

I just took this Hearthpwn Hunter deck ( http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/223887-sp...master-s13 ) and replaced a Freezing Trap, a Volcanic Drake and a Piloted Shredder for x2 Call Pet and 1x Tundra Rhino, so this deck is hardly optimized for non-random (Face Hunter is almost certainly better, but it doesn't have fun Call Pet shenanigans to theorycraft, so.). But I don't play Hunter often, so I felt that modifying a deck in a random format would be fine: Probably not close to as good as it could be (Midrange is probably a terrible idea in non-random to begin with...)