February 3rd, 2010, 13:55
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No (attempt at a) good deed goes unpunished, I suppose. I was just doing a favor as requested by a team, to whom I owe and feel no allegiance, that would be inequitably negatively impacted by requesting a reload themselves. That said -- y'all (the players) should work it out among yourselves. Consider me to have been nothing more than the Pony Express agent, so please don't shoot the messenger.
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February 3rd, 2010, 13:59
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Reagan Wrote:No (attempt at a) good deed goes unpunished, I suppose. I was just doing a favor as requested by a team, to whom I owe and feel no allegiance, that would be inequitably negatively impacted by requesting a reload themselves. That said -- y'all (the players) should work it out among yourselves. Consider me to have been nothing more than the Pony Express agent, so please don't shoot the messenger. Not at all - and bravely done! But to be honest, even if Sullla cropped up saying to reload, I am sure everyone would say WHY?
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February 3rd, 2010, 14:01
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Reason of the reload request is current situation:
I was attacked on turn 11 by a player who declared the attack after i moved/ended the turn. I am going to be eliminated anyway. Reason why the reload is requested is that on turn 12 building of my worker finished.
I got a mail from attacker saying that he chooses first part of the turn. My understanding of the rules is that he cannot choose the first part because of poll 28. If he can choose the first part of the turn then he effectively doublemoves me and can take the free worker.
I did not read the mail from attacker before i logged and moved the worker away.
February 3rd, 2010, 14:09
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Lobo.Thibron Wrote:Reason of the reload request is current situation:
I was attacked on turn 11 by a player who declared the attack after i moved/ended the turn. I am going to be eliminated anyway. Reason why the reload is requested is that on turn 12 building of my worker finished.
I got a mail from attacker saying that he chooses first part of the turn. My understanding of the rules is that he cannot choose the first part because of poll 28. If he can choose the first part of the turn then he effectively doublemoves me and can take the free worker.
I did not read the mail from attacker before i logged and moved the worker away.
My understanding is that the attacker, would need to have 'secretly' moved in the order the turn before. The situation as i understand it is thus:
You moved and ended turn.
Aggressor declared war and moved and ended turn.
Aggressor choose first half and moves again-therefore a double move.
For him to choose first half of turn he would have had to move BEFORE you on the turn before. I.e. declared and moved before you did last turn.
Now, do we need a reload? If you're going to be 100% eliminated anyway, the person could solve this by deleting the worker?
February 3rd, 2010, 14:13
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Meanwhile, should we pause the game? If your worker isn't allowed to move, then a reload is certainly called for. I am remaining neutral on whether the worker should have moved or not until I discuss it with my team.
Lobo, since you have 4 pauses remaining, and from the sounds of it won't use them anyway. Sorry to see you go so soon.
February 3rd, 2010, 14:14
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My understanding is the attacker follows the war order one turn before declaring, so no reload should be required as the correct order has played.
As for moving in the 2nd half of the turn then requesting first half, that is a blatant request for a double move.
Edit: the other party in this affair should make themselves known, lets hear both sides.
February 3rd, 2010, 14:15
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I still have the worker and the city. I moved my worker already (i moved first in the turn thinking that i can), so if he attacks he get just the city.
edit: i am pausing the game.
February 3rd, 2010, 14:16
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sunrise089 Wrote:Rule 28(e) - Upon declaring war, no unit may be moved until 12 hours (in-game) have passed from the unit's last movement AND the attacker has to have (secretly) followed the turn split rule the turn before the declaration of war if they wish to be able to move first during the war.
From Lobo's description, it sounds like the attacker has to be 2nd in the turn order, and no reload is necessary.
And, no, I'm not disagreeing with my earlier post. I was able to discuss with (one member of) my team.
February 3rd, 2010, 14:20
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Kyan Wrote:For him to choose first half of turn he would have had to move BEFORE you on the turn before. I.e. declared and moved before you did last turn. That is my reading of the double move rule too except that it would have been enough for him to just move before you last turn and declare at the start of this turn.
Oh wait - who moved first at T-2 (assuming the current turn is T0)? Consider the following ...
T-2:
Attacker moves first
Lobo.Thibron moves second
T-1:
Lobo.Thibron moves first
Attacker declares, moves [they are ok with rule 28] and claims 1st half
T0:
Attacker moves
Lobo.Thibron moves second
That is perfectly legal according to rule 28 but is an obvious double move. This double move stuff is stupid. Lets change the game to a pbem ![lol lol](https://www.realmsbeyond.net/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif) .
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February 3rd, 2010, 14:22
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Morgan Wrote:Edit: the other party in this affair should make themselves known, lets hear both sides. Well - there is only a limited number of people who it could be ...
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