WW23: The Heart of Gold

[zakalwe]

In at least one of those games, Gaspar, (two if I remember correctly), you spent an unblockable kill ability on me. If you need to fear protective abilities, then it makes a ton of sense to target Serdoa instead, who also suspected you and is a notoriously hard to lynch player. And with Novice making the setup, I think it's a fair assumption that he included a generous amount of protective power. It's something I always lobby for, and he generally agrees with me. At any rate, it's something you would be worried about.

[zakalwe]

Bigger could well just be a disengaged villager who set himself up for a lynch through poor activity today. I don't think he was scummy yesterday, when he had a natural reaction to a very weak accusation from Gaspar. I think the recent argument against him about justifying a survival vote is pretty crap. It's not like Gaspar isn't justifying his own survival votes.

Also, I think a scum Bigger would just "own" his Lewwyn vote rather than presenting it as some kind of scumhunting trap. As scum, you really don't want to go back on anything that you've said if you can help it, because villagers love to latch onto inconsistencies like that.

[Gaspar]

In at least one of those games, Gaspar, (two if I remember correctly), you spent an unblockable kill ability on me. If you need to fear protective abilities, then it makes a ton of sense to target Serdoa instead, who also suspected you and is a notoriously hard to lynch player. And with Novice making the setup, I think it's a fair assumption that he included a generous amount of protective power. It's something I always lobby for, and he generally agrees with me. At any rate, it's something you would be worried about.

It really isn't. It just isn't. Seriously, anyone who's played with me will tell you that I spend the whole time arguing about high-value targets and then my teammates try to reign me in with fear of getting blocked. We got blocked like 3 times in WW16 at least partly due to my bloodlust for killing the guys I know I can't ever convince.

Everyone in this game save Mattimeo and Ryan is at least hard to lynch and some are darn near impossible. But I don't work like that - I think about who I can convince. And you're the only player in this game I'm 100% sure I can't ever convince. I fooled you in WW7 at least partly because you were feeling bad for me after 5 & 6 and you've basically made a crusade about it ever since. This is because it doesn't bother you at all to mislynch, but it bothers the hell out of you if you feel like you were "tricked." Whatever, we all have our vices. I just legislate for it when I'm scum by killing you.

As far as the bit about Serdoa being "on" me. He made one off-handed comment. He wasn't on me anymore than anyone else at that point. I know what Serdoa's "dog-with-a-bone" routine looks like and he wasn't on it.

This is really just hilarious - if I die here and we lose, its pretty much a legacy lynch because I'm not allowed to argue anything since there's nothing presented to argue. Whatever helps you guys sleep at night, I guess, but I like to win and if you guys lynch me we're at LyLo for no good reason.

[Gaspar]

Bigger could well just be a disengaged villager who set himself up for a lynch through poor activity today. I don't think he was scummy yesterday, when he had a natural reaction to a very weak accusation from Gaspar. I think the recent argument against him about justifying a survival vote is pretty crap. It's not like Gaspar isn't justifying his own survival votes.

Also, I think a scum Bigger would just "own" his Lewwyn vote rather than presenting it as some kind of scumhunting trap. As scum, you really don't want to go back on anything that you've said if you can help it, because villagers love to latch onto inconsistencies like that.

Here's your shoehorn - seems like you're struggling to have the evidence fit your theory.

I'm seriously never signing up for another game with you again, you're just so arrogantly wrong that its not any fun to play against. At least uber is doing this because he's scum.

[zakalwe]

Forgot to add, in my two latest posts, that I'm naturally elated about all of this!

bah.

[zakalwe]

you're just so arrogantly wrong that its not any fun to play against.

Interesting choice of words. And if Uberfish is scum, then I wasn't wrong yesterday. I think it's more likely that I'm right today, though.

*whistles happily*

[Bigger]

PB - can you just pick me or Gaspar, please? I don't think I could bear to get mislynched on a coinflip again.

sorry I don't have time to defend myself, work comes first.

[pocketbeetle]

Hooo boy.
Okay, random mental splat.

zakalwe is saying that Mattimeo has switched off Gaspar onto Bigger because the wolf pair are Mattimeo-Gaspar, and that having stated my intention to save Gaspar, it was safe.
Fine, that can fit, it also fits my own view of a 1A1B distribution of voting on Day 1. Fine also.
Mattimeo was the first to vote for Gaspar, and until now could arguably have been locked into the Gaspar bandwagon by accident, taking the opportunity to jump off now makes sense in that case.
Mattimeo low activity also.
Why did Mattimeo in that case vote Gaspar in the first place? Distancing, okay less good but fine, maybe thought the main vote would end up on uberfish.
Agree Mattimeo's sudden change of heart and joining my stated position is interesting.

Alternatives?
Gaspar innocent means zakalwe pushing hard to save him is interesting, I do have my eye on you zakalwe simply for being such a wonderful villager that I can't help relating to!
What pair does Gaspar innocent leave? Bigger-uberfish? No too close. Mattimeo-uber? Possible. Why would Mattimeo switch off someone innocent to another innocent? Doesn't look great.

I'd say it's time for you to tell us your character Gaspar, and make it good buddy.

[pocketbeetle]

Gaspar innocent means zakalwe pushing hard to save him is interesting

correction: lynch, sorry.

[Gaspar]

Hooo boy.
Okay, random mental splat.

zakalwe is saying that Mattimeo has switched off Gaspar onto Bigger because the wolf pair are Mattimeo-Gaspar, and that having stated my intention to save Gaspar, it was safe.
Fine, that can fit, it also fits my own view of a 1A1B distribution of voting on Day 1. Fine also.
Mattimeo was the first to vote for Gaspar, and until now could arguably have been locked into the Gaspar bandwagon by accident, taking the opportunity to jump off now makes sense in that case.
Mattimeo low activity also.
Why did Mattimeo in that case vote Gaspar in the first place? Distancing, okay less good but fine, maybe thought the main vote would end up on uberfish.
Agree Mattimeo's sudden change of heart and joining my stated position is interesting.

Alternatives?
Gaspar innocent means zakalwe pushing hard to save him is interesting, I do have my eye on you zakalwe simply for being such a wonderful villager that I can't help relating to!
What pair does Gaspar innocent leave? Bigger-uberfish? No too close. Mattimeo-uber? Possible. Why would Mattimeo switch off someone innocent to another innocent? Doesn't look great.

I'd say it's time for you to tell us your character Gaspar, and make it good buddy.

I don't care, just lynch me. I seriously hate playing with zak so much that it would be better to be out of the game.

I'm Svarti-something, I didn't really read the role PM beyond alignment (good guys) and ability (none). Though apparently I design coastlines or fjords or some such. I haven't read the books, I'm really not a big scifi guy.