WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[waterbat]

or the board.

[BRickAstley]

Official Lynch Vote Count

uberfish - 4 - Lewwyn, MJW, Mattimeo
Azza - 2 - uberfish, waterbat
MJW - 1 - Qgqqqqq
Mattimeo - 1 - Azza
waterbat - 1 - Serdoa

Players not voting: None

6 hours remaining

[Serdoa]

Mattimeo:

- general interaction with items not so much. Especially the complaining about miller after the seer was lost, indicating the location of the bomb.

just because Serdoa passed me the fool card didnt mean that he HAD to have the bomb. as far as i knew, he could have just decided to pass it. he could have been passed the gun for all i knew.

Oh right, because neither Lewwyn claimed gun before nor was Pindicators dead indicating that the board died with him. Are you fucking kidding me waterbat? There was NO other item I could have got. At the time you made your post, ALL items were accounted for, except for the can. That I passed you the fool card, together with the revelations of the others meant that I only could have the bomb.

Unfortunate that really no one wants to see that you have not once explained your action itself. You come up with reasonings what you could or could not know - everytime flawed. But you never explain why you felt it necessary to reveal that I passed you the card.

[Serdoa]

Btw: When will you quote the post in which you account the cloak to the village? You claimed you did that, but I could not find it. The only post I could find is you BEING CERTAIN that the jailer is scum before Bigger was dead.

[uberfish]

@uberfish: your post is somehow getting all facts mixed up, you realise that yes? He passed the bomb to novice - and no, I don't know why. Thats the reason why I actually thought he is village - but his whole play since he told everyone that I have the can is scummy imo. And the passage I mentioned above is it as well.

Yeah I just find it very hard to believe he would pass it to Novice, knowing full well that it would be randomly redistributed and it could end up just blowing scum up later.

I guess the waterbat-as-scum scenario has to be

1) Waterbat passes bomb to Serdoa n2 (Or novice and it randomly lands on serdoa. Which is indistinguishable.)
2) Selrahc, who scum have decided is unsalvageable at this point, lies in order to get waterbat some town cred and "confirm" that waterbat passed bomb to novice
3) Waterbat claims that he passed it to Novice, in order to try and confirm himself as town because scum wouldn't do such a thing.

I suppose it's possible. but it does mean that scum would have sacrificed the item. OTOH waterbat and zak were both suspicious d2, scum might have decided that waterbat handing off to zak would draw a fatal connection between the two.

I'm really uncomfortable with those insider knowledge tells Serdoa pointed out though - on scum having the jailer and novice being the 100% night kill. I could overlook one as coincidence assumption by town but two is really pushing it.

BTW what I'd expected town waterbat to do was to pass the bomb to Serdoa, but lie and say it was random in order to try and trap scum into suiciding themselves onto Serdoa. that's not what he's done though. Announcing that he passed bomb to Serdoa is anti-town but doesn't confer any advantage on him if he is scum. Suppose he might have said it as scum because he didn't realise that giving the information away would have been a bad thing for town to do, because he wasn't really thinking about the implications of what a town player with the bomb would do in these circumstances

Anyway, I can no longer consider waterbat cleared but believe azza to be overall the most likely scum, there are just too many small things on him (item setup meta, his scum lurking meta, late d1 voting dynamics, very similar profile to selrahc on d2/3 with attacking each other while on d3 trying to bring up Ryan as a 3rd wagon) that add up

[uberfish]

uberfish:
- crowbar leans slightly scum
- open claim of it gives less town lean than usual due to Lewwyn beating him to it.
- scum?
- scum

er... that's your case?

Crowbar as scum would be pretty redundant with cloak, scum don't really need 2 roles whose purpose is to detect items. So although the item doesn't prove I'm town, it shouldn't be a scumread.

Your and MJW's posted reasons for voting me are just at this point, at least he's admitted that he's sheeping Lewwyn.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Uberfish , I have to point out that I switched off when it became clear that Selrahc would not die. Everyone one who was online was a rowain voter at that point. There was a bunch of hidden users but it is clear who was online due to the posts.

But you can't be sure that no one would switch.

My vote stays on you for 2 reasons. 1. If the real wolf is not you he can kill you indirectly by not kill lewwyn. 2. Although everyone else who can be wolf is a terrible lurker you have standards to live up to.

Ok, this is dumb.

1) Since when does Lewwyn automatically get what he wants? Also, you have been talking about a vigilante plan which assumes that Lewwyn will be alive to pass the gun on so why is this even a problem

2) I don't know what you expect from me... No one is accurate all the time. Go look at my voting record in the last Brick game. Or novice's for that matter.

a. I was not sure. But I had a good feeling. I can make a list of players on deadline and why they would not switch if you want.
b. He's confrimed and a very good player. He was sure about Zak and bigger (he scryed him). I don't see anything special from you to overide that.
c. You not voting Selrahc is bad. Not as bad because it was only really one person who you "mistakenly" thought was innocent. The major reason for me is lewwyn's strong attack against you and your silly "rip to shreds" post during last night.

Other big reason I voting you is that you and Qgqqqqq is the only one giving wolfish hints.

[Serdoa]

MJW, just keep in mind that the gun dies this night with Lewwyn. He has shot last night, so can't use it tonight again and the wolf - if it isn't uberfish - will kill him. There is no way around that, as wolf can't risk that Lewwyn is passing the gun.

[Qgqqqqq]

Don't have time to respond fully, but mjw stop calling me a "useless lurker" I have 160 fucking posts, do you really think they we're all about Godwin/fool card.
Your reasoning for that? "I trust my opinion more then a lurkers" - seriously, either read the posts and give an argument or shut up, don't keep rebooting this nonsense.
Actions speak louder then words do they? Show me the actions where I kept saving selrahc - yes I argued in his defence day 1 (even

[Qgqqqqq]

Sorry didn't mean to post that.
The even should be: when we had no information and precious little argument for him beyond. LURKER LUND!1!
1) I wrote a lot, but down't post much against him just the three big posts plus a fewsmall ones. Considering your the one [strike]making stuff up[/strike] accusing, go find these posts.
2) serdoa has tinted glasses here. There was a strong case on Godwin (that serdoa doesn't agree with because he also pushed for lynching the fool card.
3) I have 160 posts. do you really believe I made 75% of then day 1. only about that issue.
4) Wtf. why aren't I getting lyncged for that then? Your job as a violated is to hunt scum , not trt preserve your own skin. How on earth can you say that a vote that takes a evil up to 1 off lynching is when "it doesn't matter much" - when does it matter then?
5) Honestly are you always this much of an idiot,or is it a special effort for me. Again you coke back to it, you'd lunch me because I am a useless lurker. I have no case against me just you making this shit up.