[SPOILERS] Bismark of Sumeria (luddite + Atlas1998)

[luddite]

Thanks for that, Darrell. That's why I really like this community.

Anyway, time for some serious C+D analysis! I really should have done this earlier. If I had, I would have known about the chariot in advance.

Really, this should be called MS paint analysis. I wonder if the pentagon uses MS paint to count pixels on blurry line graphs that don't have labels. Probably not lol. Doing this, I feel like i'm Mr Bean in "do it yourself, Mr. Bean".

Counting up the total power there gives 42,000 soldiers, which just happens to equal the rival worst score for power. That's a good sign. I've given my best guess for each power increase to the right. Those might not all be accurate, but overall they should be good. I know he doesn't have mathematics or sailing, because he just got writing a few turns ago. So I'm confident about his military technology, at least.

Assuming I'm right, his entire military right now consists of 6 warriors and just the one chariot. That's really good news for me. I can be confident that he has no axemen, because the power graph would show a 6000 point increase if he built one (you can see some of those on the graphs of Nakor and Plako). The crucial one is really his last increases. I've spent a long time staring at it, and I'm pretty sure it's a 2000 and 1000 increase. I'm quite sure that it's not a 4000 increase, because the x axis change is too long for that.

The conclusion of all this is that all I need to keep myself safe, for now, is one spearmen. If he builds axemen, they won't arrive for a long time.

[luddite]

Also: I really, REALLY want to post in the UN thread right now

[luddite]

This is the plan I'm thinking of, given the ruling that Mackoti has to move his chariot to the same place. If I can move my units again, before he has a chance to declare war next turn, then I can get my settler to the city site, and get a warrior there in time to upgrade him into a spear, by using my worker to finish the road and then running him to safety. As far as I can tell, this doesn't violate any double-move rules, because we're not at war yet. It's a "disputed area", but my settler doesn't have to double move.

Since I have two warriors, I can upgrade whichever one he moves towards, and still get enough gold to upgrade the other if he moves back again.

[Serdoa]

Are you sure you can upgrade units after moving them?

[luddite]

Are you sure you can upgrade units after moving them?

I don't have to uprade after moving them. With the hills there, his chariot can't attack the new city until the 4th turn.

[Serdoa]

True. I somehow understood that when I looked at your map but when I wrote my comment I obviously had forgotten it.

So you only need to move first all the time.

[novice]

This is the plan I'm thinking of, given the ruling that Mackoti has to move his chariot to the same place. If I can move my units again, before he has a chance to declare war next turn, then I can get my settler to the city site, and get a warrior there in time to upgrade him into a spear, by using my worker to finish the road and then running him to safety. As far as I can tell, this doesn't violate any double-move rules, because we're not at war yet.

There's also a good faith component to the double move rules. It doesn't seem quite fair to me to intentionally double move Mackoti even if you're not technically at war right now.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your reasoning or what you're planning, though.

[Ellimist]

I think "good faith" considerations become pretty murky when one side is breaking game rules and in-game pacts with reckless abandon.

[luddite]

I got a peace offer from Mackoti

Hi,
Seems i doubled moved you,so there will be a reload, thats excelent from my point of view.Because we have the chase of ane fresh start.
From this you will see that i never intendet to brake our NAP, i allways respected those, but you forced my hand and decided to setlle exactly in my core cities.

But i dont want to talk about that because i have the military(1 chariot, 2 axes) and one more axeman and a chariot finishing next turn(you can see it with your scout) to do you some harm or at least to force you to spend gold to upgrade your wariors to Vulture(well for you to know that one are doying very weak against the axes).I was furios because you didn't hear me, and you treated me like a ..., calling me a blufer and all that stuff.
I even started to reseach Horse Back Riding, but after looking to the game i realised this is complectly foolish, this war will get both of us down(a litle bit worse for you).You have Metal casting and next turn i will finish the pyramids,so we have 2 good things wich we can use in our porpuse.With Parkin and plako already running with the game, fight will have no point.And you have no chanse to get ther first with the city(and is not your right to be there).
We are falling behind and i think we should cooperate.

So here is my propose this time very clear not you saying actualy i didn't agree(my english is not so good):

1.NAP until turn 140(or 120) ;
2.You will not setle past the wines,not for gem not for nothing in that area.
3.I will not setle in the wine area(for you to know i have a setler, a chariot and an axeman coming, i could setle wines and get away from another source of happines, but i will not do that if you agree with this if you not, i will consider it);
4.I will not chalenge you 2 wonders by your choise(you cant pick mids).

5.Only optional if you want not leting enemies to use our teritory.

6.We sign open borders with full options for both of us.

Regards,
Mackoti

So he claims he has two axemen. I really don't believe that, but he probably does have more units finishing very soon. I guess it's possible that he finished the axemen just this turn, in which case they wouldn't show up on the graph yet.

His offer is kind of ridiculous though. He's saying basically "hey let's not fight, why not put aside our differences and give all the disputed land to me?" The offer of wonders is meaningless, since the only ones I want are the colossus and great library, and i'll get those easily.

I'm still trying to decide if I want to go for it and grab that land immediately.

[SevenSpirits]

His offer is kind of ridiculous though. He's saying basically "hey let's not fight, why not put aside our differences and give all the disputed land to me?" The offer of wonders is meaningless, since the only ones I want are the colossus and great library, and i'll get those easily.

But hey! At least there is a clause where you promise not to attack him, and he promises not to attack you unless he feels like it.