Politics Discussion Thread (Heated Arguing Warning)

[AdrienIer]

He encouraged a guy to enter a pizza place with a gun to investigate "pizzagate".

Did it really happen? I say that this is fucking hilarious and I want this Alex Jones guy to have more media presence, whatever his beliefs are.

Jones spent weeks saying that pizzagate was a thing, that democrats (and Hillary in particular) held a child sex ring in the basement of a specific pizza place in the middle of north carolina. He said that if the FBI didn't want to inverstigate it, it was for US citizen to investigate themselves. So one weirdo took it personally, went to that pizza place, threatened everyone there with a gun to get information on the sex ring. It's not a laughing matter, someone could have gotten killed because of Jones' insane rants.

[Gavagai]

He encouraged a guy to enter a pizza place with a gun to investigate "pizzagate".

Did it really happen? I say that this is fucking hilarious and I want this Alex Jones guy to have more media presence, whatever his beliefs are.

Jones spent weeks saying that pizzagate was a thing, that democrats (and Hillary in particular) held a child sex ring in the basement of a specific pizza place in the middle of north carolina. He said that if the FBI didn't want to inverstigate it, it was for US citizen to investigate themselves. So one weirdo took it personally, went to that pizza place, threatened everyone there with a gun to get information on the sex ring. It's not a laughing matter, someone could have gotten killed because of Jones' insane rants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_...nald_Trump - "Sandford, a 20-year-old British citizen who had a lengthy history of mental disorders, stated that he had wished to kill Trump to prevent him from becoming president." I somehow suspect that this is what you would define as a "laughing matter". Of course, you would totally deny that scorched earth bullying campaign conducted by mainstream media against Trump is in any way responsible for this and would be outraged by the notion that Trump's public critics are in any way responsible for that. Have I guessed correctly?

[AdrienIer]

I somehow suspect that this is what you would define as a "laughing matter".

You suspect incorrectly. I don't laugh about actual assassination attempts. Do you really believe that as an Evil Left-Winger I can only do evil things, have evil thoughts, be a biased, unfair and generally terrible human being ? If not, why are you being so disingenuous ? 

The key difference here is that Alex Jones was making stuff up, spreading false information, and inciting people to act, which led to 100% innocent people being held at gunpoint. If he had not done his propaganda none of this would have happened. He is responsible for inciting violence.

Donald Trump says controversial things. The part of the media that does its job correctly picks up on those things, and criticize him for it. They're doing their job. It's possible that it increased the chance of someone crazy trying an assassination attempt, just like it does when they criticize anyone, especially someone like Trump who already has a non-zero chance of something like that happening. What they DID NOT DO is say "the people need to take it in their own hands and put an end to it in any way possible". They just looked sad and said some mean things about Trump when he said something outrageous or did something awful. Compared to what Fox did to Obama (indignation about "he eats pizza wrong", "his suit isn't the right color" etc) I think they're pretty tame.

[Gavagai]

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The key difference here is that Alex Jones was making stuff up, spreading false information, and inciting people to act
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Donald Trump says controversial things.

But this is just your opinion. A typical viewer of Alex Jones very likely has exactly opposite beliefs: that Alex Jones speaks the truth and mainstream media are "making stuff up". What you are saying is that everyone should follow your opinion and ignore theirs.
Now, you would say that your opinion is better argued. In that case, however, you should support giving Jones more media presence as it would only make it more obvious what a fool he is. Yet, you want precisely the opposite to happen. Why?

[AdrienIer]

It's not what I'm saying but I'm tired of your BS. I have better things to do than responding to your trolling, your false equivalences, your twisting of my words (twice in 2 posts, quite a feat), your way of moving the goalpost every time I answer you.

[Gavagai]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWieh7YIgY&app=desktop - I have watched first 52 seconds of that. Anyone who wants to ban this guy is outright retarded. He is a harmless comedian and it is really hard to confuse him with anything else. Of course, some psycho could have taken his words seriously but some psycho could have tried to kill real-world Arnold Schwarzenegger to save Sarah Connor. This not a reason to ban Terminator movies.

[AdrienIer]

You're watching a cult leader with the eyes of an outsider. Of course you're going to find him ridiculous, and recognize him for the sham he is. It doesn't change the fact that he has a not-so-insignificant cult following, and that he's dangerous.

[Japper007]

no brand wants to assosiate itselve with Jones and his ilk

Name me a brand which has become associated with Jones due to his presence on Youtube. Or, for that matter, name me an advertiser who ever complained about his presence.

I don't have to, as I only said that YouTube doesn't feel like this is the stuff that draws in and satisfies advertisers. Maybe I worded that poorly.

(Before recent scandal Alex Jones was only known to a select few lunatics on the right and a little larger share of lunatics on the left. And now he is trading blows - literally - with a US Senator on TV, so thanks for promoting him, Youtube.)

And shit like this is exactly why they don't think he fits their platform. If anything it shows they acted to late. Thanks for doing my work for me

[Brian Shanahan]

And she's right. Trump's core base (like 10-15% of the US population) is a basket of deplorables.

Trump's core base is that 15% and then another 30% who side with them.

Liberals don't realize that 30% exists.  Liberals think they win the arguments by screaming racist-nazi-elitist at the 30% until they don't hear from them anymore... but they just shut up from being sick of it and then still go elect Trump anyway.

That soft base isn't the hardcore flag-worshipping fag-hating brown-people-deporting deplorables.  It's people like me who don't really care either way on that stuff.  But we're sick of the liberal attitude that is literally trying to silence free speech and discussion, trying to win every argument by name-calling or censorship.  Banning the likes of Alex Jones from every communications platform isn't going to stop people from holding such opinions.  That just enrages people like me, that aren't cheerleaders for him, but hold as a higher concern his right to speak his opinions even if you don't like them.  Censoring Alex Jones is a step on the way to tyrannical thought control.  Resistance against that attitude is the hidden factor still holding together the Republican Party and its supporters, and what elected Trump and will re-elect him unless the left finds a stronger identity factor.

The left doesn't see these deplorable-adjacents, that's why Hillary never walked back that comment.  The thinking of the left stops at slapping on the "deplorable" label to dehumanize the target as if they don't exist.  But they do and they're sick of the contempt and insults.

And what people like you don't realise is the restbof know that every single one of your politicians is committing treason every single time they sit down in congress or fellate Dumbfuck in the White House.

Allthough the more intelligent republitraitors have realised the demographics are against them, hence the mass disenfranchisement of latinos, blacks & asians, the non counting of legitimate votes (Michigan alone confrssed to 75,000 in 2016), the gerrymandering to hell and back and in all likelihood the mass fraudulent voting for Dumbfuck and other republitraitors in the last election.

[Gavagai]

no brand wants to assosiate itselve with Jones and his ilk

Name me a brand which has become associated with Jones due to his presence on Youtube. Or, for that matter, name me an advertiser who ever complained about his presence.

I don't have to, as I only said that YouTube doesn't feel like this is the stuff that draws in and satisfies advertisers. Maybe I worded that poorly.

(Before recent scandal Alex Jones was only known to a select few lunatics on the right and a little larger share of lunatics on the left. And now he is trading blows - literally - with a US Senator on TV, so thanks for promoting him, Youtube.)

And shit like this is exactly why they don't think he fits their platform. If anything it shows they acted to late. Thanks for doing my work for me

The problem is - I have yet to hear about a left-wing nut who got banned from somewhere. For some reason, every single story I hear about people being blocked from Youtube, Twitter, etc. is a story about someone with right-wing views. Maybe there are no crazy people on the far Left but it is rather hard to take this idea seriously. Much more probable is that Alex Jones got banned not because he is a nutjob but because of his politics.