I'll bend the editing rule to remove a double-post.
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WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER
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January 17th, 2013, 17:30
(This post was last modified: January 17th, 2013, 17:31 by MJW (ya that one).)
MJW
You still aren't paying attention are you? My plan calls for you NOT to be lynched and instead to pass the double vote off to Serdoa. Not anyone else. I don't see any other way to ensure a 2-1 endgame. And I suspect Mattimeo more than I suspect you. Also brick changing the rule doesn't implicate either of us, anyone could have complained it wasn't fair and there are dead scum posting in the lurker thread... MJW Wrote:I know I'm not a wolf so I'm pretty sure the last wolf is uberfish. Him attacking azza, mattimeo and me lightly points to trying to keep as many suspects open as possible... Er, on what planet is trying to figure out people's alignments a scum tell? If I can't lynch my #1 suspect due to village strategy, I have to work out who else fits as scum...
Double vote is completely irrelevant in a 2-1 endgame - it's always going to be Serdoa tie-breaking.
Also, if by some miracle he actually gets a vig shot off, he'd have to give away the double vote the night he made the shot, leaving it worse than useless - Serdoa making a vig kill is liable to leave it 1-1, so handing the double vote off will either have it go to scum or vanish. Both of which result in us losing. -- Don’t forget.
Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. -- As long as you remember her, you are not alone.
Double vote is NOT irrelevant - as brick jaunt clarified, with the double vote serdoa alone can win, as just the mayor he can't.
We've been given 24 hours, pets use it by reexamining a azza lynch.
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How does he get to the situation in which he wins with it, then?
2-1 going into the last night, scum don't kill, it's still 2-1 in the morning and you have to lynch that day. There has to be a vig shot in there, and (as I understand items) Serdoa cannot make a vig shot *and* continue holding the fake arm the next day - use of the gun would entail passing all other items that night. Of course, if you're lynching Azza now, there won't be a vig gun around to leave even the possibility of that second option... -- Don’t forget.
Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. -- As long as you remember her, you are not alone.
1. Uberfish, I'm talking about later in the game; is when I get mislyched. I'm in your top 3 suspects list. Lyching me right now does not make sense because I can just give the double-vote to serdoa.
2. I agree with you that a wolf could in the thread/PMs make brick change his mind. 3. My point was not clear enough. You seem not to care at all who gets lyched. You are happy to lych me, mattimeo or Azza with no problems. That's a problem. Because there very likely is one wolf left you shouls be pushing your top suspect Azza far more--because everyone else is a mislych. Azza has the gun so he cannot die today but you could still attack him more aggersively. I also suspect you would defend waterbat more if you were a villager. (this does not apply to the other players as they are just lurkers) (January 17th, 2013, 17:07)BRickAstley Wrote:(January 17th, 2013, 16:52)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: It's pretty obvious that the last remaing wolf aggresively prodded brick about changing the rules. BRick, I certainly reacted harshly yesterday and I hope I haven't hurt you with it. I still believe in what I said in the first days of this game, that you have done a good job with the game. I like the items, despite them causing controversy. But I still very much appreciate your investment to actually design and manage the game for us. Nonetheless, I think the next time you should take more time when rule-questions come up. And get some analytical assholes like myself to look over potential items / roles, especially if they are unusual, so we can tell you how we would use the system most efficiently BEFORE you have to change rules midway in the game. 
(January 18th, 2013, 01:23)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: 3. My point was not clear enough. You seem not to care at all who gets lyched. You are happy to lych me, mattimeo or Azza with no problems. That's a problem. Because there very likely is one wolf left you shouls be pushing your top suspect Azza far more--because everyone else is a mislych. Azza has the gun so he cannot die today but you could still attack him more aggersively. I also suspect you would defend waterbat more if you were a villager. (this does not apply to the other players as they are just lurkers) Look, this selective interpretation is getting old. This is endgame and we're now trying to maximize the number of village kills we get in order to have the best mathematical chance of winning. If Serdoa is town and I read Q as town that means one of the other 3 players has to be scum and if we kill them all we win no matter what order they die in. It's not like there are other scum to go after once we lynch the first. I see no point in further attacking azza today since there's no true pressure if I have to lynch someone else under the plan anyway, and he's just going to do what he's been doing all game and ignore me so I won't get information And come on, blaming me for the waterbat lynch when I was the one pointing out that his play didn't make much sense as scum and the other players who were "just lurkers" actually lynched him? REALLY? Mattimeo could have lynched me and I'm your top suspect and supposedly his top suspect. You don't have a problem with his failure to do so?
uberfish, I see your point. I am not keen on doing it tbh, because I mistrust MJW heavily. But ok, lets do that. MJW and Azza both pass there item tonight to me. Either we are at 4-1 or 3-1 after that night with me having gun / vote or both.
In case of 4-1, I have both items. We lynch again for 3-1. I shoot in the night + nightkill to 1-1 (with me having double-vote and scum getting gas can on a 50:50 coinflip). If only I shoot, we are at 2-1 with me still having double-vote. If we mislynch, scum wins. Combined 66% chance of village-success. In case of 3-1, me having gun. ... Oh, fuck it, I still believe that MJW is the most likely scum here. But the best win-chances are certainly to be get by them passing me their items and taking it from there. Mattimeo I might change my vote though, because I really have a hard time seeing Mattimeo being scum. His whole play yesterday after our mislynch seemed for me like someone having given up because he fucked up a vote and expecting that no way he can get out of the lynch. But Scum would have known that waterbat is a mislynch, it would be dumb to jump on like Mattimeo did. uberfish, your take, what do you think? Do you believe Mattimeo did fake his giving up? Do you believe he was scum being so dumb that he didn't realize when voting for waterbat that he gets himself killed with that? Especially as he could have instead get you lynched... And why pass the double-vote on? Would it not be smarter to keep it, because with some thinking it seemed obvious that no matter the exact ruling, we would like to get the double-vote onto me.... No, as much as I look at it, Mattimeo seems like a really dumb lynch. unvote |
