Werewolf 7 game thread

[Lewwyn]

You should vote for yourself

But I already am!

Everyone else should too!

Elect Lewwyn for Mayor!

[Rowain]

But this color fits you far better

[zakalwe]

Interesting that zak is happy to bandwagon people based on reactions to my troll while simultaneously decrying it as bad village play...

Just because I think it was a bad village play, doesn't mean I shouldn't try to make the best of it, and form theories based on how people reacted to it.

The reactions to your gambit are essentially just another thing to talk about, not much different from any other randomly chosen topic. We still have to try reading each other.

The reason I think it's bad village play is because it establishes yourself as untrustworthy, which sets the stage perfectly for a later (or immediate) mislynch. That might be OK if it was guaranteed to give you a solid lead on a wolf, but it wasn't, not in any way, shape or form. So if you're a villager, you were lying to the village for no good reason.

[Rowain]

the problem is nobody talks (at least at the moment). I hope it gets more livly once lynchtime is closer.

I start to wish MJW were ingame.

[zakalwe]

Following up from my previous post, that quote from Uberfish is in fact a perfect fit for his known wolf behavior of deliberately misrepresenting what I said in order to establish an apparent contradiction. In reality, there is no contradiction between thinking Uberfish is a bad villager and voting based on how people react to him, yet Uberfish manages to construct a one-liner to imply there is. That's exactly what he was doing in WW1 and WW4, as well.

If I don't feel like I have any other wolf leads before the end of the day, I will seriously be considering a "lynch all liars" policy vote. Uberfish feels like he is still trolling. If that is a deliberate strategy, then I think it is disruptive.

[uberfish]

The reason I think it's bad village play is because it establishes yourself as untrustworthy, which sets the stage perfectly for a later (or immediate) mislynch.

It shouldn't establish me as either trustworthy or untrustworthy to any thinking player

[zakalwe]

WW1 and WW4

I meant WW1 and WW5, where he was a wolf. He was the GM in WW4.

[Roland]

Urgh, taking too long to catch up this morning. Just some quick comments while I can.

I'm no a big fan of bandwagons, but I would like to see some more pressure on scooter. On the other hand, Twinkletoes' silence has me more concerned, and the fact that I'm starting to think my original "Oh that's just typical TT talk" reaction to his earlier posts has led me to think he's innocent when he might be guilty. From what I remember in the past, with enough pressure he'll come out of hiding and post something, so I'm switching my vote to Twinkletoes. We'll see if anything comes of it. I do intend to check back in before the day's end.

Rowain... so much to say, but I don't have the time to formulate my thoughts coherently. All I'm going to say is the zakalwe / Rowain fiasco strikes me as one huge personality clash between two Villagers - although I'm less convinced about Rowain's innocence now. It just rings to me of my own experiences with Serdoa in the past, so call me sensitive to it.

Pulling my Mayor vote back to No Vote for the moment. Had someone in mind, but lost the thought so now I'll have to go reread to find it.

[Ichabod]

I base my feelings on the last game we played together (we established quite strong mutual trust in there). What you don't know is that we also talked with pm messages after Catwalk was mod-killed (me encouraging him to play in the next game etc.) and he seemed to be really pleased on how I had played the game. So his mayor vote for me didn't surprise at all. Generally he has been playing with similar manner than in WW6 and just as I would expect. He is quite inexperienced in these games, but tries really hard to invent theories and be useful, almost by forcing it. As he admitted himself, his theories were a bit off in the last game as well. So I'm not saying that he can't be a wolf, but I do think his play reminds a lot of his play from WW6.

I noticed the same signs from Zakalwe's play than you seem to have noticed as well. I'm already starting to trust him quite a lot, and I believe he has better judgement than I personally have. So for me he is a good candidate as a mayor and I wanted to make that apparent immediately, since he was picking up lynch votes.

That explains a lot of it, Meiz. I remember that you also carried a good vibe towards myself from one game to the other, so I believe that you are doing the same to Catwalk. And the players who already played with Catwalk seem to think that he's in character (while me and Roland, who also didn't play in WW6 were suspicious of him).

I also don't believe you would reveal outside of the thread conversation (the PMs) if you were a werewolf duo, even if this PMs happened before the game. It'd probably be seen as a slip, so I don't think you'd do it.

That makes sense. Catwalk does seem fairly in character, and consistent with what we'd expect out of someone who's pretty inexperienced though. If, say, zakalwe were acting this way, I'd be using it against him. But coming from Catwalk? The behavior makes me place him in the potential innocent camp.

Even though I used that post to accuse Catwalk (and you to defend it), I can see your point.

I think the fact that we don't have a seer makes the uberfish wolf gambit more likely. With a seer in play, it would just be a horribly bad wolf gambit as it gave an obvious seer target. Again, considering the reactions to his gambit (majority are either neutral or think it paints him innocent), I don't find it to be an unlikely wolf gambit. Especially if he has a history of such a playing style. I thought it was a bad wolf gambit, but given the reactions it may well be a good one. It has confused village discussions and it seems to move suspicion away from him. It also creates a slipstream of reactions that wolves can use to tar others with. Since someone found it suspicious that I want to lynch him and then changed my vote, I'll gladly change it back. There's still time, and I think it's the best bet so far.

Ichabod, as Meiz pointed out we worked well together in the last game. I think he was easy to read as villager last game, and he reads the same to me so far. He also had good judgement and was active, so I find him to be a good mayor candidate. My apologies if I broke any conventions about having to make your first vote a joke vote

I addressed this in a previous post. I did not find it unlikely that some players would voluntarily reduce their post count a little. That may even have happened already (not necessarily due to my suggestion), you pointed out yourself that there are fewer posts than usual. I don't find it to be far-fetched to want the game to be a little more wieldy, I saw many posts in the last game to the effect of "can't be bothered reading through all that, I'll throw my vote on xxx". Again, I was not suggesting a rule change.

I was speculating that he dislikes being wolf, then following a line of reasoning. My apologies if that came across as if I knew he dislikes being wolf. I've revised my opinion a bit, and think it's either a bad villager play (risky and distracting) or an interesting (but risky) wolf play for the reasons stated above.

I find Injera's post suspicious whether uberfish is a wolf or not. I don't think it's at all obvious that uberfish is a villager, and calling zakalwe highly suspicious on those grounds seems off to me. And I also find it a little surprising that Injera would come off so strongly as a new player. Then again, that could also be why he reacted as he did. So my vote is back on uberfish as my prime suspect, hoping it'll gain traction.

Coupled with Meiz post, this post makes me not suspect you enough to give a vote, Catwalk (and reading some of the other people that commented on my posts/your posts). So, no vote. I'd expect you to react more agressively, maybe even voting for me as a wolf.

Getting fixated in a theory while there's little support could be a wolf cover (a place to hide from the discussion) or a villager really trying to prove a point to the others. Like Uberfish said after his gambit explanation, you have to try to see the motivation behind a certain action. And now I see that you seem to be more of a villager really trying to prove a point. You wouldn't insist so much if it was a wolf ploy to get cover.

And tbh: If it would be anyone else then zakalwe, I would already be sure that you are really a wolf and zak is indeed innocent. But knowing how you feel about zakalwes "I know it best" you might not even be a wolf but really only playing badly because of personality clashes. We'll see. In any case right now I'd rather lynch you or TT then anyone else.

Totally agree with Serdoa here. Even though I've never seen a wolf Serdoa (and that goes against my previous reasoning), there's a good chance that I'll vote for him to be mayor. Rowain and scooter seem at least a bit suspicious. Zakalwe and Gaspar could be good options, but I'm not confident that I can get good reads on them. Serdoa is looking a lot like a villager and I think he has improved his game a lot on WW6 (and I like his posts here too).

No, but you had me pegged as suspicious just based on that. I am half expecting this argument to come forward from you later on the game, which is just sad in my perspective

Well, I know I said I didn't suspect you much anymore, Meiz. But this caught my attention. Especially the bolded word. I don't remember Meiz ever using such a strong word when talking about someone else's reasoning. Maybe I just don't remember well enough, though. But Meiz always seemed to be very friendly with everything... So it sounded strange.

[scooter]

Um, newsflash to you guys in Europe, but I sleep at different times than you guys . Rowain in particular manages to complain about my inactivity in every single game and I see it after I wake up . Sorry but I'm not getting up 3 hours earlier to jump in on discussion sooner.

zakalwe

Watch him. He's wildly inconsistent right not, flinging accusations against people to keep attention off himself. He attacked TT for doing the same thing he did... Then he spent time arguing the uberfish thing was pointless and now he's voting for me based on my uberfish reaction. What? Sounds like someone who is trying to herd sheep rather than someone who is playing to help the village.

@uberfish - I'm not saying ALL the wolves ignored your post. I'm saying that building a suspect list based on reactions is not all that productive since a wolf is more likely to ignore yOur post than a villager... So you don't really give yourself good odds of finding a wolf.