WW 19 Game Thread - Mobster Mayhem - GAME OVER

[Serdoa]

Zak what's the slip? Do you mean that Tasunke is scum and had insider knowledge that scum asked Brick about the item reveal policy? because brick said that items *would* be revealed which was the opposite of tasunke's assupmtion.

Here's his argument again:

"Lets assume that items aren't revealed. Then lets assume the scum already asked this and found out it was so. In that case, it would make perfect sense as a scum ploy. Nothing more dangerous than a fool card running amok that people thought was destroyed."

But if Novice is scum, then lynching him certainly wouldn't convince us that the fool tarot card was destroyed - unless, of course, the mod explicitly stated that it had been destroyed. So his argument makes no sense - at least not to me.

On the other hand, if Tasunke is scum, and knows that Novice is innocent, then he knows that Novice's flip would convince us that the fool card was destroyed (regardless of the item reveal policy).

So it looks like Tasunke got his wires crossed and somehow managed to argue that "This would be a great scum ploy for Novice because of this other thing that would only be true if Novice were innocent." I.e., he accidentally relied on information that he shouldn't have.

Not sure I agree about that zak. You are completely right that it would not make sense if novice shows up scum to assume he also had the tarot card (the claim makes only sense if a buddy of his had it). But I am not sure if Tasunke mixed up that he knew novice is innocent or if the more likely explanation is simply that he simply didn't make the jump that in the case of novice being scum we would not believe his claim any longer. I am asking, because I certainly did not understand your argument till I tried to post you a response, calling you out on it - to realize that you were actually right. So I think this error can be made, even without hidden knowledge.

[novice]

Zak *but if Novice is scum, then lynching him certainly wouldn't convince us that the fool tarot card was destroyed - unless, of course, the mod explicitly stated that it had been destroyed. So his argument makes no sense - at least not to me.*
I miss read that I thought you were questioning if the items died with you my apologizes.
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To Novice : Saying that hes lying due to his American ways and hes a rat. I was joking -.-. How does me saying he is American increase the fact that he is a rat because he used to back stabb me when I plaied FFH with him?

So you were saying that Tasunke was just lying in general, and that he's a rat? I read your "That he's a rat" post as "Tasunke is lying about being a rat". Was that an incorrect interpretation?

P.S: Don't edit your posts.

[novice]

I agree with Serdoa on Tasunke's slip. (Unfortunately.)

[Ryan]

Zak *but if Novice is scum, then lynching him certainly wouldn't convince us that the fool tarot card was destroyed - unless, of course, the mod explicitly stated that it had been destroyed. So his argument makes no sense - at least not to me.*
I miss read that I thought you were questioning if the items died with you my apologizes.
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To Novice : Saying that hes lying due to his American ways and hes a rat. I was joking -.-. How does me saying he is American increase the fact that he is a rat because he used to back stabb me when I plaied FFH with him?

So you were saying that Tasunke was just lying in general, and that he's a rat? I read your "That he's a rat" post as "Tasunke is lying about being a rat". Was that an incorrect interpretation?

P.S: Don't edit your posts.

I am sry? I edited them once? and after u told me I stopped and yes I have Shit written english

[Ryan]

Sorry for the double post but do you mean that I edited them another time after you told me? I am pretty sure that didnt happen . Unless I clicked on edit wrong Are you sure?

[Ryan]

Again I am being unclear and I cant edit to add my points in one post. You misunderstood what I wrote . I meant it in a general thing and I wont be that general in threads like this again. Really bad mistake.

[novice]

Zak *but if Novice is scum, then lynching him certainly wouldn't convince us that the fool tarot card was destroyed - unless, of course, the mod explicitly stated that it had been destroyed. So his argument makes no sense - at least not to me.*
I miss read that I thought you were questioning if the items died with you my apologizes.
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To Novice : Saying that hes lying due to his American ways and hes a rat. I was joking -.-. How does me saying he is American increase the fact that he is a rat because he used to back stabb me when I plaied FFH with him?

Sorry about the editing accusation, Ryan. I couldn't remember reading your reply to me in the post above, but I realize now that I probably skipped it on the first readthrough, thinking it was a signature.

[Tasunke]

Sigh ... what I was saying is that there is only one reason a scum would say they had the fool card.

What would this reason be? if a different scum had the fool card. Therefore novice would have either no item or something else, would have been seered wolf, w/e, and could argue village. Meanwhile the wolf WITH the fool card could just play normally (or suspiciuosly) be seered, and be seen as village. If people think that wolf-novice has the card, then 2 seer proof wolves could be masquerading as village.

(this is why it would be dangerous)

[novice]

Sigh ... what I was saying is that there is only one reason a scum would say they had the fool card.

What would this reason be? if a different scum had the fool card. Therefore novice would have either no item or something else, would have been seered wolf, w/e, and could argue village. Meanwhile the wolf WITH the fool card could just play normally (or suspiciuosly) be seered, and be seen as village. If people think that wolf-novice has the card, then 2 seer proof wolves could be masquerading as village.

(this is why it would be dangerous)

But why would people think the card was destroyed?

[Ryan]

Sigh ... what I was saying is that there is only one reason a scum would say they had the fool card.

What would this reason be? if a different scum had the fool card. Therefore novice would have either no item or something else, would have been seered wolf, w/e, and could argue village. Meanwhile the wolf WITH the fool card could just play normally (or suspiciuosly) be seered, and be seen as village. If people think that wolf-novice has the card, then 2 seer proof wolves could be masquerading as village.

(this is why it would be dangerous)

But why would people think the card was destroyed?

Because if you die while holding the card you cant pass it on espically during the day. Actually I dont think theres any other way for the card to move except being destroied unless Like I said its remains in ur room and can be pick pocketed.