So....Gandhi of France Anyone? (Leader/Civ Picking Thread)

[Shoot the Moon]

Triple post, but I've figured out a new plan:

Last plan was basically just figuring out how to get CoL ASAP while ignoring pretty much everything else. Instead let's try going back to a tried and true method of SE, focusing primarily on Scientists, and figure out how to get CoL later. Engineers would be perfectly alright to get as well, may be tempted to run one in every city that's run out of scientist slots, and a Prophet may be good for a shrine as well at some point, but otherwise strictly Scientists. I'm tempted to use 2 Scientists for Academies (one for each civ), one for Philo and one for Edu at least. After that I'm not sure, but that is quite some time away regardless and we may not even get pure GS's anyway.

With HC doing a CE, it should work out very well for the two of us. The big reason is being able to split gold and research in a SE more easily, so I should be able to both tech and fund Shoot at the same time. (although for a number of reasons it won't be as simple as that). We can also vary our strengths depending on how useful each economy is at the time (SE early, CE late) not to mention I can use double speed Uni's for our benefit.

However, we absolutely need Mids for this to work. Doubling the effectiveness of Scientists is not something we can afford to lose. Additionally, the Great Library is also highly desirable, we should prioritize Lit fairly highly. Since Smackdown have the game's only other PHI leader, I wonder if we have to race them for any of this?

We aren't risking much for Mids I think. Shoot needs to build a cheapish wonder he gets a boost on ASAP while I need to build one reasonable expensive building that boosts production ASAP then keep only 1 pop on effectively a 2 hammer tile for some time. We'd probably be risking more building it with stone. As mentioned before my biggest concern is ensuring we land Oracle (and ensuring someone doesn't build Mids before we get our GE, but I don't think that's very likely).

I still think bulbing CoL is best [insert repeated argument that maintenance is going to be crippling on this map], besides, running all those scientists will be difficult without CS.

Also, when is this game going to get off the ground?

Forge + Library + Obelisk + temple allows 6 specialists without Caste, but without a Lighthouse we can only have 5 specialists unless we build farms and if we get a Prophet it's not a great idea to work Priests anymore (unless we want a Theo bulb, but Theo sucks by itself...), plus being my capital means it will have to build starting workers/settlers. Courthouses are too expensive for new cities without ORG, I'd rather get currency for markets instead of courthouses ASAP if Caste wasn't a factor, since it is it's tough to say.

Wish I knew the answer to the second question. Can someone contact sunrise? (assuming he's still hosting this game)

I roughly agree with this for what it's worth. CoL isn't that important with the number of specialist slots we'll have early on--and Currency, which we'll likely want before CoL, also allows a couple more (and merchants are quite nice if we were to happen to birth one).

[nabaxo]

I'm probably going to go ahead and dedlurk you. I'll probably have very little input on stuff though.