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Denial mode I see. Rego incident alone was not that big a deal as a single incident. However that was the final straw. I just don't see how you consider some resemblance of an alliance, when you've blatantly lied us on several occasions, not followed the obligations of our deal and helped our enemies.
I did operate in the gray area concerning our deal, but do you think I should follow our deal literally when you haven't done it and the whole deal was based on lies?
edit. I'm happy to praise your good diplo play, but I don't understand why you want to paint me as a low person here. I would have preferred not to raise this as a main point here, but I also feel I need to respond to your accusations.
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Lord Parkin Wrote:Zero interest in conceding? Looking to win by UN or culture? Lots of time to try and do something? Why the sudden change of face the instant you got attacked? And I repeat, you never even logged in after my initial attack (where I took only *one* city) before you gave up and refused to play any more.
Maybe I'm being too harsh - and you certainly weren't the only one that wanted the game to end... I guess I'm just annoyed that your position changed so quickly from "never give up, we can keep on trying!" to "I'm not even going to bother logging in any more". Oh well.
We didn't but we can't do anything. We've given you your congrats on playing a good diplo game, why are you faulting us for giving up once we couldn't fight anymore despite going ahead with our plan that we knew would prolly fail after T180? I thought the game was about the journey and not the conclusion, buddy?
Quote:It made some sense strategically, sure... but going about organizing it while you were still supposedly in an alliance with us was pretty low. Sure you'd been broadcasting your hostility for some time, nitpicking a whole bunch of issues which you yourself admitted wouldn't be a problem if you were in the lead... but that still doesn't excuse your betrayal. At least I knew well in advance that something was very wrong with our relationship, and I was right.
You allied with rego, sniped the timer and launched the initial strike against us. If you want to ignore context, you did exactly the same thing. We were not happy with your lying about the land being closer to you and you were unhappy that we were trying to get out of the NAP so we planned to kill each other when the NAP ran out. I don't see how either person can or would want to take a moral high ground.
The only difference is we did it first and you did it best. Just because you won does not mean you can dictate history to suit you like IRL.
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FWIW - the forum was heavily watched by a lot of lurkers. Plako granted access to anyone who requested it... I think they just made it because it was easier than a constant reply-all email where someone could forget to hit reply-all and screw everyone up.
LP - I think the hangup Plako and company (and many lurkers) had was that you came across as kinda hypocritical. You frequently were dishonest (or rather stretched the truth) about land splits to get better deals for yourself. Now granted, this paid off fantastically for you... But it seems hypocritical to call someone out for being dishonest to you when you were dishonest to them. I think of the deal where you promised Plako (I think?) Gems or Ivory at any time on-request, so Plako requested Ivory and you went "ehhh no I can't do that sorry. Take the gems instead." Why is that any different from the time you blew up on Luddite for founding a useless junk city that barely violated your land split with him?
That's all - and most of the heat you took in the lurker thread was for things like that... I'm fine with you getting bent out of shape for someone breaking a deal with you (I'd do the same, believe me and check some of my old PBEM threads for proof!), but it seems kinda rich when you post a chat log where you really stretched the truth for your own gain, and then 30 minutes later post a rant about someone being dishonest. By all means, do what you have to do to win (seriously!), but cut people slack when they pay you back by doing the same to you.
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Plako suggested that my lack of response to his earlier email implied an agreement with his points. I was clarifying that that was most certainly not the case. I see that my point was proved that this can only go around in endless circles of justification though.
ASM, the journey is more enjoyable if there is more journey to enjoy. So I'm obviously disappointed that the game was cut short.
I'm off to bed, I'll have more to say in the morning.
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Lord Parkin Wrote:I'm off to bed, I'll have more to say in the morning.
It might be best not to. The same goes for Plako and ASM. The game is done now and i think any further discussion might just create some bad will.
You all played well in my opinion.
LP: Take that created forum as a compliment. Some guys made a seperate forum, created 7 topics, 351 posts and 2476 views and they still couldn't win. Personally, i'd consider that a big feather in the cap if i were you.
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antisocialmunky, turn 87 Wrote:I'm worried for Parkin's long-term survival to a certain extent. We need him to actually be powerful in the late game for his plan to work. 
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I'm disappointed that Locke and Cervantes didn't win. It seemed like they played really well, and were done in by events on the other side of the map that they couldn't control.
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Thanks Sulla that's how we felt too. It was really a shame. 
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Everyone seemed to underestimate you so much. You were much better players than anyone thought!
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Yea I know. Funny isnt it?
By the way, Locke was Sullla. And Cervantes was Speaker. :neenernee
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