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[SPOILERS]Zara Yaqob of Byzantium and the Melancholies of Gawdzak and BaII

Loaded up a game to see the tech costs:

Agriculture/Hunting: 48
Wheel/Mysticism: 78
Mining: 62
Bronze Working: 177
Pottery: 110
Math: 416
Currency: 713
Civil Service: 1568
Guilds: 2016
Education: 3898
Assembly Line: 12125
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Made a sandbox, feel free to play around with it. You can change the leader/civ by editing the world builder file by opening it as a text file.


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Because of that forest deer, we can get a 11 turn worker with 2 hammer overflow. This means we can work that plains wine for 2 turns before the border pop for a total of 4 extra commerce.

We can definitely make Byzantium work here. It will have synergy with the UB (Hippodrome), but Mysticism will be pretty much wasted if we take Creative. Still worth I think. Maybe I'm just too fixated on Cataphracts but they are my favourite UU in the game and it's rare to have an opportunity to play with them.

BaII, think we should get the pick phase started by taking Zara here?
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*chanting* Pick! Pick! Pick! *chanting*

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Yeah, I think Zara is one of the best leaders for this game, I'm pretty sure Zara is stronger than Bzy however if you really want too we can pick Bzy to try it out for fun.
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Zara, it is then!
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The picks are interesting so far:

*Gawdzak/BaII - Zara Yaqob (Cre/Org)
*Gavagai - Gandhi (Phi/Spi)
*Barteq - Hannibal (Cha/Fin)
*GermanJoJo/Lord Parkin - Vikings (FISH/HUNT, Berserker/Trading Post)
*zanth/Bacchus - Victoria (Fin/Imp)
*Azza - America (AGR/FISH, Navy SEAL/Frontier Post)
*suttree - China (AGR/MIN, Cho-Ku-Nu/Pavilion)

What should we pick for our civ?

Byzantium as stated many time above.
Mali?Two expensive (Mining/Wheel) and useful starting techs, good defensive UU.
Mongolia?Techs (Hunting/Wheel) are both good for our start. Good UU, mediocre UB since we aren't Charismatic.

Other than that, we can take one of the Hunting/Mining civ or one with unique Courthouses since we are Organized.

Hunting/Mining:
Russia
Germany
Khmer
Ethiopia

Unique Courthouse:
Aztecs (Hunting/Mysticism)
Holy Roman Empire (Hunting/Mysticism)
Sumeria is bad here.

Thoughts on those?Other suggestions?
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Bzyantium would definitly be interesting, however Mali's UU got nerfed. Though it's still pretty strong. I think we can tech early archery and rely on Skim's to defend oursleves for a while. Although I would be interesting in Aztecs and HRE, they have nice syngergy with our traits as well as being less well used. Mongolia is an interesting civ. Keshik's are like a good UU but not terribly amazing either, I think the ger is simply better than the UU cause with Theo or vass we can get 3 promo keshik's easily.
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(June 25th, 2014, 20:13)BaII Wrote: Bzyantium would definitly be interesting, however Mali's UU got nerfed. Though it's still pretty strong. I think we can tech early archery and rely on Skim's to defend oursleves for a while. Although I would be interesting in Aztecs and HRE, they have nice syngergy with our traits as well as being less well used. Mongolia is an interesting civ. Keshik's are like a good UU but not terribly amazing either, I think the ger is simply better than the UU cause with Theo or vass we can get 3 promo keshik's easily.

So give me a top 3? Here's mine in spoilers, write yours down before you look because I don't want my choices to influence your choices.

1)Byzantium
2)Mali
3)Aztecs

If you have a strong preference for any of the 3, we will pick it. If you feel strongly about a different civ I'm willing to listen argue about it. twirl
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My top 3 would be:
Mali
Bzy
HRE
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