WW26: The Masquerade [Game Thread]

[Widow Edith]

I would leave Simple Anne to be modkilled if she doesn't show up. In the meantime, @Agnes & Edith: who do you suspect?

What if she just votes enough to avoid getting Mod-killed. In the end we have her in an endgame with no read at all and have to lynch her anyway. But since she has shown up and promised more I'm ok with waiting for her having more time.

Now to others Muriel and Saul: Apparently the knocked heads over some semantics which is a thing that can happen between villagers. But from this discussion I don't like the "(S)He is too confrontational to be scum"-argument that has been brought forth again. This time by Short Richard. Sorry but this is utter BS. => Richard gets a point toward scum.

2nd Sir Percival (another one who is too confrontational to be scum ) which makes Short Richard voting for him a bit strange (add another point to Short Richard). But it also makes the exchange between Perci and the Friar interesting. A little sparring to show that they are not connected? (1 point of scumminess for both of them)

3rd Young Will: who post a staple of joke/nonsense to end up on someone who finds his posts lacklustre (me).

the person I am most suspicious of is widow edith[/red]. she attacked courage for his initial post. that post gives a slight innocent lean, o maybe a null tell, but certainly not a scum tell. after Jon and the barb jumped on her she shut up and let murial and others draw fire. it seems to me she was trying to see if a mislynch of courage was possible, then disappeared once the possibility of that dissipated.

im also watching no-nothing jon intently, and Rob.

Can someone explain the case (if there is one) on simple anne and friar andrew to me?

So lets look at this post: First I did not vote for LE because I thought her scum (LE herself saw that why not you?). Second my disappearance has nothing to do with chances of mislynches not to mention that that argument is simple BS considering that it was within the first hour of D1.
3rd why are you watching KNJon and especially Rob? This suspicion of rob comes out of nowhere and looks like abit of dirtslinging to show activity.

The case on Anne was her not showing up at all (which was explained in thread) so why do you need to ask? That's al in all makes you equal to Richard.


TLDR: I have currently Short Richard and Young Will as top suspects. For now I go with [color=#FF0000]Short Richard

[Widow Edith]

Interesting that the red didn't hold in Wills original post but shows up in the quote.

Short Richard

[Lady Elizabeth]

I, Courage, need to point out that if Simple Anne ninja votes to avoid being mod killed; we can just lynch him the next day. It's early in the game. There are other arguments against going for the mod-kill but Sister Mary's argument is flawed. (One argument is that if we kill Anne early, rather than the next day, we have a slight increase chance of hitting a wolf. This is because the wolfs night kill reduces the number of villagers we can kill.)

[Young Will]

edith, why would you vote for courage if you didn't think he was scum? Isn't that our purpose, as villagers - to lynch scum?

I'm trying to be fair here, but if there is another reason for your vote, I didn't catch it. Truth be told, I didn't catch a reason for your vote at all. Just you voting, Jon and the Bard calling you out on it, you disappearing (not responding to their accusations), the whole thing forgotten about, then you showing up and voting for someone else.

[Agnes The Orphan]

(One argument is that if we kill Anne early, rather than the next day, we have a slight increase chance of hitting a wolf. This is because the wolfs night kill reduces the number of villagers we can kill.)

Why?
Wolves aren't going to kill someone who isn't posting and might be modkilled.

I dislike your case Edith, because it seems to be relying too much on interactions between people, which seems to be pre supposing both as scum.
For instance:

2nd Sir Percival (another one who is too confrontational to be scum ) which makes Short Richard voting for him a bit strange (add another point to Short Richard). But it also makes the exchange between Perci and the Friar interesting. A little sparring to show that they are not connected? (1 point of scumminess for both of them)

I don't quite get what you're driving at here - why is percival being voted by short Richard scummy? And what's suspicious of Percival/Friars conflict suspicious when others are not?

Could we get a votecount please?

[Fat Rose]

@Old Tom

I'm still waiting for an explanation WHAT in my post exactly felt scummy. Every time you were asked that you answer "I felt it was scummy", but that's going in a circle, we know already that you felt it was scummy. But we still don't get an explanation why you felt that way. Right now, I get the feeling you just wanted to show that you make an 'effort' to scum-hunt by calling my post scummy and a wall of text, because chances are high that half the players aren't reading it anyway, so nobody will question it.

But I do, and I want an explanation please.


@Know-Nothing-Jon

Ok. I'm still not understanding how that answer was enough for your to be satisfied tbh.
unvote


@Short Richard

Can you elaborate on your case on Sir Percival please?

[Fat Rose]

(One argument is that if we kill Anne early, rather than the next day, we have a slight increase chance of hitting a wolf. This is because the wolfs night kill reduces the number of villagers we can kill.)

Why?
Wolves aren't going to kill someone who isn't posting and might be modkilled.

I dislike your case Edith, because it seems to be relying too much on interactions between people, which seems to be pre supposing both as scum.
For instance:

2nd Sir Percival (another one who is too confrontational to be scum ) which makes Short Richard voting for him a bit strange (add another point to Short Richard). But it also makes the exchange between Perci and the Friar interesting. A little sparring to show that they are not connected? (1 point of scumminess for both of them)

I don't quite get what you're driving at here - why is percival being voted by short Richard scummy? And what's suspicious of Percival/Friars conflict suspicious when others are not?

What she is driving at there is obviously that Short Richard has basically stated that Muriel has to be villager as she is too confrontational but then votes Sir Percival, who is confrontational as well and should therefore according to this logic also be considered villager.

The second part of your question doesn't make sense imo, you seem to have to many words there. In general it seems you are very eager to show that you put forward questions without actually reading the posts and understanding them. Care to explain why?

[Sir Percival]

@Sir Percy: Why do you suspect Muriel? The doctor's the Short Richard's votes came into play when it made sense to make pressure and Old Tom has just explained it.

heavy reliance on meta to make cases. very easy ww attack to make/

I'm starting to believe that the case on Muriel is a huge misunderstanding, that Muriel's assertion that name-roles may or may not exist was taken by Saul to be that name-roles do exist. I'm willing to believe this:

Yes, I said they could be used by a role. That does not mean that every single power role has a last name, or that any power role has a last name, or that a role who does use the last names has a last name himself. All it says is that there might be a role or more out there who have information on how the gameplay mechanic works.

Sir Percival for his rambling?

tiny dick, my rambles r repeating my point that people (mural) pushing heavy meta argument r anti-town.

2nd Sir Percival (another one who is too confrontational to be scum ) which makes Short Richard voting for him a bit strange (add another point to Short Richard). But it also makes the exchange between Perci and the Friar interesting. A little sparring to show that they are not connected? (1 point of scumminess for both of them)

edi, my brutal honesty knows no bounds. if sparring to show not connected, i not connected with half the game.

but even i would not quip at a widow. sorry for ur loss, i here ur husband was an honorable man

[Agnes The Orphan]

I understand that point, I'm just not seeing how you can equate the two in terms of how Richard sees them (e.g Percival confrontation may not seem genuine, so Richards actions aren't automatically out of sync - unless he's stated that Percy is too confrontational).
And yeah the second part is horribly worded, I meant to say; "What is it that you find suspicious of the Friar/percival conflict as opposed to others that have occured?"

The last bit is obviously rhetorical and is very good at a passive aggressive attack. Please explain what problem you have with what I'm doing.

[Fat Rose]

Why don't you ask that then Agnes? Obviously you did understand why Edith found that vote scummy, you just have a different view on it, because you don't feel that the way Percival and Muriel are confrontational are equally genuine. What I think could be discussed, as Percival obviously is deliberately writing in a certain style that he should expect to annoy people. Does he do it to be viewed as confrontational and therefore unlikely wolf though (meaning he is a wolf)? You seem to believe that (not clear from your post) and therefore find Richards vote understandable. But I could also see the different view, that his style is more likely to get him lynched, simply because others are annoyed by it, what a wolf would try to prevent. WIFOM.

Anyhow, why do you instead of asking how she interprets his style write:

I don't quite get what you're driving at here - why is percival being voted by short Richard scummy?

You perfectly understood why his vote was viewed as scummy, so your question did not really make sense before you elaborated on it imo. And I don't understand what's the point of being deliberately unclear in your questions to others.

As for what kind of problem I have with what you are doing. It is that you seem to be overly eager to contribute. I thought first that you didn't take the time to understand the posts but obviously you do and you just don't take the time to phrase your questions in an understandable way. The only time I remember that from myself was when I was playing wolf. Because it was so hard to come up with something I had to post quickly as soon as I found something to confront someone with, often not clearly phrasing my questions or misreading the other.