WW8: Madness in Outer Space (game thread - players only)

[Sareln]

Sareln was also not very active last game, where he turned out to be innocent. I don't think he'd sign up for another game right away if his activity was still low, so I'm inclined to think his silence is indicative of lazy scum behaviour. Erebus also stands out as slightly less active, the rest are pretty consistent.

Horrid reasoning. I sign up for werewolf games because I like to play in them, but just because I'm not going to dump 10 hrs / day into a game doesn't make me SCUM.

Now to the rest of the posts:

@ Novice: I figured defense would be straightforward due to an ability, but now that I see how many other people have abilities that's probably not true anymore

Agree w/ the analysis that having <heal> is no indicator of innocence or SCUM. I don't agree with the idea that it somehow disassociates Rowain and Novice completely though, there is a case where they could both be SCUM just much less likely than unpaired or inverted-paired alignments.

@ Uberfish: for vote 5/6: Wanted to see what sort of response I'd get at 5/6 from Winston and felt comfortable having an ace for defense, so a mistake wouldn't be the end of the world. Serdoa spoiled the whole thing by lynching Winston pretty much the minute after I placed my vote...

I'm not going to let fear prevent me from voting 4th or 5th today though, else we'll be trying to kill everyone with half-vigilante actions...

Novice's power is cool.

@ Catwalk: Novice wouldn't make the claim w/out it being true. It would be a terribly easy way to get lynched by a competing claim from a villager (50/50 on day 1, or maybe two half-vigilantes get nervous and kill someone in that pair; either way much worse odds for novice than just playing honest.)

Of players remaining, ranking from most innocent -> least innocent with thoughts where appropriate:

• Rowain, Heal could go to anyone, making sense
  
• Novice, making sense
  
• Uberfish, Good questions, Making sense.
  
• Lewwyn, Gray Middle Ground
  
• Erebus, Gray Middle Ground
  
• Serdoa, Rifle shot on Day 1 right after I posted my vote to kill Winston. Seems almost too blatant to be a SCUM tell.
  
• Bobchillingworth, first game for me with Bob. Seems quiet. I don't have a good read on him.
  
• Catwalk, more bellicose than last game IMO, has been pursuing power roles with the same... vigor that he did in WW7. Reasoning isn't particularly convincing to me, but that may be a cultural gap.
  

[uberfish]

Sareln, did you think Winston was scummy?

Same question to Erebus actually, since he wanted to put Winston on 5/6 but was pre-empted by Sareln and Serdoa killing him.

[Sareln]

Sareln, did you think Winston was scummy?

Same question to Erebus actually, since he wanted to put Winston on 5/6 but was pre-empted by Sareln and Serdoa killing him.

He was giving all the "right" answers but not really pushing back the way I feel an actually aggrieved party would. That may have just been because he was being active though so he was sticking in my mind. So more SCUM-like than the rest, but it wasn't a lot in absolute terms. I really would've wanted to see how he acted close to lynch, alas.

[Rowain]

First thanks to Sareln & Serdoa for their thoughts.

Second Can you 2 please post a vote? If it is the first one nobody can blame you if the one get killed .

If I understood you 2 right Sareln would vote Catwalk right now and Serdoa Erebus. Is that right?

[Serdoa]

Rowain, please tell me why you want us to cast a vote so much. I have a feeling for the reason but would like to first see if what I think matches what you meant.

But you are right, my vote would be on Erebus

[uberfish]

Also I think everyone posting their current thoughts on other players is a good idea, I'll go:


Novice - Was attempting to spark discussion on day 1 which is pro-village. If he was aware of his own image, using the ability on night 1 makes sense as it's likely scum would try to kill an experienced pro-village player. Whereas scum might choose to save it for later if they thought people were suspecting them. Probably village.

Bob - Definitely feels like he is trying to stay under the radar, with very safe votes on day 1. Possibly scum.

Serdoa - I think Serdoa and myself have senses of humour that don't quite match up so I'll try not to make any more jokes around him to avoid needless conflict Has responded as expected to questions about the Winston lynch if he was a villager. Unfortunately, he could quite easily have faked this reaction if he is scum because Novice gave him an alibi. Remains on the fence with his voting and I remain on the fence about his possible alignment.

Catwalk - I find some of his arguments illogical concerning the pressure-voting yesterday, and too easily concluding that Rowain was innocent based on ability use today. Possibly scum, possibly confused village.

Rowain - Playing his standard pressure voting game. Although this style is easy to emulate as scum, I do feel he has been trying to spark discussion which is pro-village. Although I wouldn't take the heal as evidence of anything.

Lewwyn - Spamming low content posts as usual in day 1. Explanation of being busy day 2 is acceptable. Can't get a read at all.

Sareln + Erebus - These two are in pretty similar spots due to low activity + being mainly defined at this point by their reactions to the day 1 Winston lynch. Although I found his vote suspicious, Sareln's response seems reasonable so I put him in the neutral camp. Need to hear more from Erebus.


On that note, Erebus

[Erebus]

Found some down time in class to check the forums.

Catwalk always pushes for power role, and I got myself hanged last game because I stumbled over myself protecting Serdoa's role.

The SCUM have all the knowledge, so every surprise that ruins their plans is a boon to the village.

Injera being able to let herself be accounted for at night, Winston's ability ability to wound during the day, Novice night protection and Rowains heal.

These are all things the Scum can't account for. I like it that way, keep them guessing.

I mean if we're sharing, what's your power Catwalk?


As for Winston, I felt that the people on the block were being non-chalant about it. I felt that a 5 vote might actually get people to speak. I didn't really suspect ANYONE but Winston was already at 4 votes.

Like Rowain said, molasses, we can't pressure anyone without nearly killing them.

[Bobchillingworth]

And why would you do that Bob? So that scum can place their votes most conveniently for them, maybe on a fellow scum even, but have enough time to remove them before he gets into real danger? As long as scum has to fear a surprise-kill vote, they cannot place their votes on fellow scum easily.

Finally getting around to reading this thread-



Wouldn't that be a *good* thing for the village though, if a SCUM pulls away their next-to-kill vote on a player once someone else announces that they intend to place the killing vote shortly? Seems to me like they'd have to badly expose themselves to save a fellow SCUM. Obviously SCUM can run around placing votes on each other early on without repercussions, nothing anyone can do about that.

[novice]

I'm reading, but won't have much time until tomorrow sometime. I'd really like to hear more from Bob.

[zakalwe]

Official Tally - Day 2 - 9 alive - 5 to lynch

3: Catwalk (Bobchillingworth, Lewwyn, Erebus)
2: Lewwyn (Novice, Rowain)
2: Erebus (Serdoa, Uberfish)
1: Sareln (Catwalk)

Not voting (1): Sareln