American Politics Discussion Thread

[Rusten]

Yeah, he should probably consider diversifying his news sources.

I don't think the US has any desire to go to war with Russia.  We'd prefer they just sit in the corner and behave.

Darrell

That goes for most of the westerners on this forum (and Europe/US in general) as well. There's a lot of things I can't stand about NATO that never gets a fair share of the spotlight, and while I'm certainly no sympathizer of Russia I don't blame them for feeling encroached and betrayed.

[Jowy]

Yeah, he should probably consider diversifying his news sources.

I don't think the US has any desire to go to war with Russia.  We'd prefer they just sit in the corner and behave.

Darrell

Yeah USA the famously not imperialist world power

[darrelljs]

Yeah, he should probably consider diversifying his news sources.

I don't think the US has any desire to go to war with Russia.  We'd prefer they just sit in the corner and behave.

Darrell

Yeah USA the famously not imperialist world power

Are you actually suggesting we want to start a war with Russia and turn them into a colony?

Darrell

[darrelljs]

Yeah, he should probably consider diversifying his news sources.

That goes for most of the westerners on this forum (and Europe/US in general) as well

General public, yes.  On this forum, not as much.

Darrell

[Mjmd]

Just a follow up on the drone strike story. Democrats wrote a strongly worded letter! And didn't get called "dinos", in general called a name, or threatened with being primaried. Itsy bitsy progress.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022...lians.html


On the Russia vs west front yes sphere of influence is 100% a thing. There is a difference between being influenced by and being controlled by though. A lot former eastern block countries very much do not want Russian controlled. Yes this has pushed western influence east and I 100% see how Russia wouldn't like that, but also I don't really blame the countries for not wanting to be invaded and retaken by Russia at some point. Its a tough foreign relations situation for sure.

[Ginger()]

Yeah, he should probably consider diversifying his news sources.

I don't think the US has any desire to go to war with Russia.  We'd prefer they just sit in the corner and behave.

Darrell

Yeah USA the famously not imperialist world power

As far as hegemonic powers go in history (see British, Spanish, Chinese, Mongol, Russian, Ottomans) the US is reasonably benign. It has largely stuck to upholding a rules-based international order. (yes the rules benefit them, ofc they do, but the value above replacement is probably positive)

Concerning Russia, it takes a special kind of brainworm to look at countries bordering Russia eagerly and voluntarily joining NATO (due to what external impetus?  ) and paint Russia as anything other than an aggressor seeking to LARP a 4x game. Find me a Lithuanian, Pole, Romanian, etc. who thinks NATO is the aggressor seeking to choke off poor Russia from their natural expansion avenues :'(
Furthermore I find it fascinating that the US is even involved in this discussion at all. Why? Because everyone has the implicit understanding that the power the prevents these kinds of land grabs or invasions lies with the US, even if it is halfway around the globe. I mean think about it, isn't it a little weird that a country half a world away is considered the second major player in a European territory dispute? I mean, where is the rest of the EU on this? Shouldn't they be a little more worried about it than we are? I've barely heard a squeak from Germany or France, which is concerning to say the least. Sure my news feed is Americentric and somewhat isolated from the press briefing of European heads of state, but if there was any strong reaction, I'm sure it'd have reached CNN. The British actions made the headlines and they all but insist on having nothing to do with the continent  .

[Charriu]

Living in Europe I can assure you that the European public is concerned about the situation and there are discussions about economic sanctions. Of course you won't hear about a strong military reaction as every military action Europe would do pales in comparison to what the US could do. For now the countries try a diplomatic solution as no EU country wants a war directly in front of EU borders.

[civac2]

@Ginger: If you are keeping protectorates you gotta protect them. Nature of the game.

[Bobchillingworth]

As far as hegemonic powers go in history (see British, Spanish, Chinese, Mongol, Russian, Ottomans) the US is reasonably benign. It has largely stuck to upholding a rules-based international order. (yes the rules benefit them, ofc they do, but the value above replacement is probably positive)

Concerning Russia, it takes a special kind of brainworm to look at countries bordering Russia eagerly and voluntarily joining NATO (due to what external impetus?  ) and paint Russia as anything other than an aggressor seeking to LARP a 4x game. Find me a Lithuanian, Pole, Romanian, etc. who thinks NATO is the aggressor seeking to choke off poor Russia from their natural expansion avenues :'(
Furthermore I find it fascinating that the US is even involved in this discussion at all. Why? Because everyone has the implicit understanding that the power the prevents these kinds of land grabs or invasions lies with the US, even if it is halfway around the globe. I mean think about it, isn't it a little weird that a country half a world away is considered the second major player in a European territory dispute? I mean, where is the rest of the EU on this? Shouldn't they be a little more worried about it than we are? I've barely heard a squeak from Germany or France, which is concerning to say the least. Sure my news feed is Americentric and somewhat isolated from the press briefing of European heads of state, but if there was any strong reaction, I'm sure it'd have reached CNN. The British actions made the headlines and they all but insist on having nothing to do with the continent  .

Excellent post, I agree completely. I'd also add that Ukraine is a sovereign nation, and those who argue it should be forbidden by external powers from joining NATO due to being located in "Russia's backyard" (or some variation thereof) are indulging in imperialist rhetoric.

[civac2]

As a sovereign nation, it is within Cuba's right to allow an ally to station intermediate range nuclear missiles on their territory.