RB Pitboss #2 [SPOILERS] - Pacal II of Greece! (Jowy & Yazilliclick)

[Jowy]

Hello Everybody,

Well that looks a little disturbing. The biggest thing I can suggest
is do your best to not give any ground whatsoever. If you can hold out
perhaps Romali and the HRE can communicate closely and attack at the
same time from the South. I believe Romali has an NAP that ends T90.
Is there any chance the both of you would have 5-7 Units each ready by
that time? If not it would be best for the both of you to wait for us
and the Galactic Empire on T100.

Also given that they are currently on 100% commerce, I'd bet the farm
they will head for construction once they have enough gold. I recall
reading something by Sullla once that a no tech trading game in it's
early stages is a race to construction. Also we had an ingame chat
yesterday and as we discussed our war with Byzantine I downplayed our
timetable for attack and he said you basically need catapults to crack
cities stuffed with Archers. So by T100 expect to see the first few
catapults wandering around Indian soil. We shall probably be bringing
a lot of Horse Archers to the party anyways, so don't despair yet
Jowy. If they declare anytime soon, just keep your cool and hold on.
Attack their stacks when you can, and hold up in your cities when you
can't. Some of their power spike is going to be from discovering
Mathematics and Archery so just because they have some initial
stronger units running around doesn't give them a stack to run in and
attack.

As for a leak, I highly doubt there is one. The 2 running the show in
India probably know more about this game and MP play than all of us
put together so don't be surprised that they decided to stop running a
paper thin military when they've got neighbours with good power
ratings and neither wants a long term NAP. They have such a high
understanding of how to use the graphs and demographics that to have
them understand they need to keep a respectable defence shouldn't be
unexpected.

If anything this news should help us recognize we need to come even
tighter together as a group, and communicate quite well in order to
keep India in check. We must put all effort into organizing a sound
plan to which will hurt India greatly.

Athlete for A/K
Ottomans

[Jowy]

[SIZE="4"]Military & Domestic Advisor's Report[/SIZE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysT6auGwJNQ

Thought I'd try something new.
Feedback please!

If quality is crap, check again later, it's still processing.

[BobRoberts]

That's a really cool idea!

Thought the charts and city views worked particularly well...

The sweep was a great idea and the only bit that's rough around the edges, but I can't see any way around that short of spending your whole life on it or using some kind of macro/mod, which I guess would be illegal. Having said that, it was much better for including it - added some 'oomph' to the intro.

Anyway, thanks for that. Enjoyed it a lot.

You have earned a *pimp* smiley!

[Pegasus]

Very good idea here you have. It would have been nice if we could hear your thoughts on the screen though rather than the music, (which I liked) but then I suppose we'd have nothing to read

Thanks for the effort though - thoroughly enjoyed it

[novice]

Great video, Jowy! This is reporting on a whole new level.

[Shoot the Moon]

Thanks for the video, I quite enjoyed it!

[Jowy]

Thank you for the compliments! I should definately do more videos now that they proved to be popular. There's a sign up thread for RPB3 btw, for those who are interested. I might join that too but only if I get a big team. Anyways here's emails from new years eve to tonight.

Hey Jowy,

Did you get any chance to review our last email. Please send us at
least a quick answer addressing the points at the end, in particular
an alliance with Rome.

Thanks,
Kalin for Team A/K of the Ottomans

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]Sounds like a good idea. I thought I'd personally talk to Rome before though, haven't had time to do that yet. But I don't mind if you count me in already, I don't see how my talk with Rome would change my decision to join in

By the way more about the India situation. Basically there's still some hope that they might bait on my NAP offer of 20 turns, especially if I can reinforce that front city of mine (I have more garrison on the way, so even if they can raze it with 2 of their units, then I will have two of mine next to them and ready to clean up). Anyway in case they do accept the NAP, I will help you out with Byzantine in order to eliminate them asap.

~ Jowy[/COLOR]

Hey Jowy,

Thanks for your quick reply. We will engage Rome with an alliance
offer and will mention you as well. You can then take your time
talking to them. We believe that this alliance will only help, and
will be worthwhile.

We don't want to sound overconfident, but we really don't need help
with Byzantium. Your should concentrate fully on India and
defense/offense against them. Make all your plans with that in mind,
and not with help for us (at least not at the moment ). Remember
your unique unit is extremely good on defense, and archers are the
best unit to defend cities.

Please try to also respond to the other issues in our long email
although those are not as time-critical. We'd still like to know more
about your plans and current cities and units.

To reassure you, we are fully committed to our alliance and no matter
what happens with India you can count on us. We will help you with
everything we can should you need it.

Kalin for Team A/K of the Ottomans

P.S.: Almost forgot. Like between allies I will be sincere and
offer you some (hopefully) constructive criticism. Your email to the
CoW didn't read very well (at least to me). It sounded a bit almost
accusatory that people leaked information and that they are somehow
not fully committed (the warrior comment). Please don't take this the
wrong way, and note that this is only my personal opinion (Kalin's
only). I would suggest however softening a bit your stance.

All teams are quite committed to the CoW. We are even going to ally
with Rome, so you can see that we trust them. The HRE and Romali have
also been very forthcoming. Remember, at the very least you have a
very loyal ally in us.

Moar in next post, dinner break..

[Jowy]

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]Hey Ottos,
Fine here's some more replies :P
@Troops, I have 4 archers, 1 chariot, 1 warrior, 2 Phalanx, 1 spear. Making 1 more chariot, then more phalanx and archers. We have four cities, all connected to eachother.
@OB with India, I'll close after the 10 turns is over. They have 1 copper hooked up but not sure if they'd send it to Byzantine now that they seem to be gearing up for war (or atleast for defenses). They don't have their iron hooked up (yet).

@Att plan, We didn't create a specific attack plan yet, we were just gearing up. Now it looks like that was a good decision because that attack probably won't happen. Dantski wants to wait till you guys anyway. So I guess I'll do the same.

@Help against Byz, If you are really sure you don't need help then nevermind about that.
~ Jowy[/COLOR]

Hi Jowy,

We have reason to believe India has provided Byzantium with a metal
source starting last turn. We will not know for 100% sure until next
but if they have secured metal it would only be from you, India or the
Inca. Obviously you're not going to help them, the Inca don't have
trade routes, so that leaves India. Given that any traderoute between
those 2 nations has to go through your territory can you immediately
close borders with them please? If you have any further insight into
this situation it could prove very helpful as well. Does India have 2
sources of metal, both hooked up? If they've only got the one then
obviously they can not continue their production of axes/spears which
is great news for everybody, however bad news for us in our current
situation.

Let us know as soon as you can please and thank you!

Athlete for A/K
Ottomans

Hi Jowy,

Looks like I might have sent you an e-mail at the same time, so if you
can just let us know when your 10 turns of OB are finished that would
be great.

Athlete for A/K
Ottomans

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]
Ok well they might have the iron hooked up and already sent to Byzantine. I assumed they didn't because I thought you would have told me if Byzantine had metal, and India only had 1 copper 1 horse from strategic resources available in the trade screen. I think Dantski could easily scout that iron spot to see if it's hooked up. It's on India's capitols 3rd ring (I just got my 3rd ring a while ago so I doubt they've had it for long).

How do I check when I can cancel deals? Usually I have a mod that does that.

~ Jowy[/COLOR]

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]Ok well they might have the iron hooked up and already sent to Byzantine. I
assumed they didn't because I thought you would have told me if Byzantine
had metal, and India only had 1 copper 1 horse from strategic resources
available in the trade screen. I think Dantski could easily scout that iron
spot to see if it's hooked up. It's on India's capitols 3rd ring (I just got
my 3rd ring a while ago so I doubt they've had it for long).
[/COLOR]
Just to clarify: did India still show 1 copper/1 horse this turn
(T77)? I wouldn't have thought they had IW but I guess we now need to
check.
[COLOR="PaleGreen"]
How do I check when I can cancel deals? Usually I have a mod that does that.[/COLOR]

You can go to the diplo screen (foreign advisor) and click on the
bottom on 'Active'. That shows all active deals including OB. If you
hover the mouse over the deals it tells when they expire, or can be
canceled. If you click on a deal, it gives the option to cancel.

Thanks for everything,
Kalin for Team A/K of the Ottomans

P.S.: Sorry again for the cross-emails, but both Athlete and I had a
bit of a hard time finding a common time to synchronize, and it is
important to act fast on this.

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]
Ah thanks. "This deal can be canceled in 3 turns".[/COLOR]

Thanks for your responsiveness greatly appreciated. Well, it may be
the case that India gave Byzantium copper/iron. That complicates our
situation a bit. We are still not 100% sure though. Can you also check
if India still shows copper/horse?

Thanks,
Kalin

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]Yes it still shows copper and horse. I had a chat with India regarding our NAP. It kind of seems like they're warming up to it, atleast they moved their military back a bit. I'll find out soon. But during that chat I managed to find out that they don't have Iron Working, because there was some confusion over locations because I was calling one location "iron spot". I went back in and asked them and they even admitted they don't have IW. Maybe they lied but I'm convinced that they don't have it.

Why do you think Byzantine has metals?

~ Jowy[/COLOR]

Hi Jowy,

We think they have metal as they put 4 hammers into a brand new build
last turn and then 2-pop whipped it this turn. 2 spearmen showing up
on back to back turns is going to put a dent in our plans
significantly. The only thing this could be is a worker or maybe a
galley if they haven't gotten a metal source but have researched
sailing. We'll have to look closer in game.

Athlete for A/K
Ottomans

Dear Jowy,

I'm very glad that we were able to chat in-game and work out some of the
disagreements that have come up. As useful as email can be, it doesn't
always convey how each side feels.

First of all, we'd like to accept the 20 turn Non-Aggression Pact laid out
in your last email, to extend until Turn 95. As we discussed in-game today,
Speaker and I have decided to settle the fish/silks location for our next
city. In return, we will promise not to settle the location east of Thebes;
you are welcome to take your time moving there, we won't try to take that
land.

Furthermore, we will do you one better: as part of the new NAP, we can
promise that our next two cities will go south towards Dantski. I'm not sure
that you believed me when I said that the land down there has jungle and
Calendar resources, but it's the truth! We needed additional techs to go
there, and we'll be moving in that direction tech-wise in the near future.

To be honest, there's been a lot of sabre-rattling over in our thread about
our recent disagreements, but I think that with this new NAP + settling
agreement we can get back to the earlier spirit of cooperation that existed
between our teams.

Cheers,
Sullla
The Killer Angels

Sorry lurkers, no chat for you. I tried to copy the chatbox but it didn't let me. It's a shame because it was a really interesting chat. Atleast i thought I was really convincing Poor India..

Dear Jowy,

It's good to have you with the Coalition. You are north of the Killer
Angels, correct? My Scout may have missed you since he is hugging the inner
coast for the moment. In any case, I share your concern over India's
movements. Though I will include my thoughts in the next Coalition letter,
here are a few ideas I came up with: Form a Mutual Defense Pact with Dantski
and publicize it in the Players Thread (assuming that K.A. has access to
it). Perhaps it will make them more hesitant to start a war if it might be
on two fronts. Definitely clear all forests that are directly adjacent to
your cities, and make sure that you have a strong road network connecting
your cities. Because Sullla and Speaker have mounted units, Spearmen will be
important, but so will Axemen. Swordsmen aren't much good on defense. If you
have thought of this already, then just bear with me. In the event that they
do attack before our own commences, I would be happy to offer tactical
advice if you think it would be of any use.

By the way, I noticed that we have a possible trade route. I imagine that
you have Sailing. I have offered you Open Borders both as a gesture of good
will and as a chance for us both to benefit from some foreign trade routes.
The Empire would be very grateful if you accepted. Unfortunately, it does
not appear that I have any spare resources to offer you, but perhaps that
will change with time.

Best regards,

Whosit, Galactic Emperor

Hi Jowy,

We wanted to consult with you before signing a NAP with India. We've
been waiting now for a day, and would like to give them an answer
tomorrow. What's the deal with your NAP? Are you comfortable with us
signing a NAP with them? If they declare you war, we'd give you our
troops for sure. We expect our troops to be in your territory around
turn 91.

Please let us know your opinion as soon as you can. We'd like to hear
from you before accepting the NAP.

Kalin for Team A/K of the Ottomans

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]Hey, I managed to negotiate a NAP with them yesterday. Sending a CoW message next about that But thanks for waiting before signing.

~ Jowy[/COLOR]

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]Hey Whosit,

Glad to be part of CoW Thanks for the welcome. I'm indeed north of KA. You can find Thebes just north of KA borders, or the rest of my empire a bit northern. Talking about locations btw, do you recon you can send a galley to your southeast and end up near KA and me? I'm not 100% sure how the map wraps but that could make sense. We should definately find out before the attack.

I was able to negotiate peace with KA yesterday It was a bit lucky on my part, happened to catch them in-game for a chat and convinced them. Your defensive pact trick sounds pretty good, only downside would have been that they'd maybe open their eyes to the whole possibility of an allied war against them. Anyway that's not needed anymore. I had thought of all your unit suggestions, pretty basic stuff of course. My UU (Axe -> Phalanx) btw gives +100% defense against chariots and they don't have HA's yet so wouldn't have needed spears for defense yet

We accept Open Borders.
Btw what's your thoughts on a 3-way alliance with Ottomans? I'm not sure have they talked about it yet or not, probably they have. I'm definately 'in' that, but just wondering if there's anything you want to know or tell me? All I have is one question, what's your plan after the KA operation?

~ Jowy[/COLOR]

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]Greetings members of CoW!

It's with joy I bring you the news that I managed to negotiate a 20-turn NAP with Killer Angels. That should help us with our joined efforts to slow them down once we are ready to strike. As an extra intel it sounds like they'll go for Calendar tech soon. I haven't checked have they gone back to science or still at 100% commerce, but I'd imagine they would go back to science soon.

Things turned out better than expected. Sorry for my negativity in my last message, but I wanted everyone to take this threat seriously and I still do. There's definately nothing negative in a strong alliance that will help us all in the long run, both by eliminating a huge threat and by improving our own relations. It's an honor to be partners with you guys. Let's make this work

As for the earlier voting to eliminate or to slow down Killer Angels, either is fine with me. But of course I have to say I would be more comfortable with them gone from the game. They've overcome bad odds before and can definately do it again if we give them the chance.

As for cities, I've got some new intel, they might not have as much as 10 like I said. They'll have around 7 instead, atleast if they plan to do what they told me they would. What slows them down is that they promised to settle a jungle area next instead of going towards me. My front city blocking them might have something to do with that.

Questions, comments?
Btw answer something if you got this message, I'm not sure if I'm doing the multi-messaging right, last time only got a reply from the first address not the rest.
~ Jowy[/COLOR]

Just checked that they have gone to 100% science, teching polytheism atm. ~ Jowy

Dear Jowy,

Thanks for the information. I'll see about doubling back to make contact
with you. Also, thank you for agreeing to Open Borders. Unfortunately for
me, I don't seem to be getting any trade routes from you, but perhaps I need
to connect my port city to my capital first. That should be done in two
turns. Or perhaps I need visibility on your cities? If so, I will try to
scout out your coastal cities, if that is alright with you. This world has a
toroidal wrap, so you can travel in all directions. I don't have Sailing
just yet, so I'm not sure if there are any pre-Caravel routes between us on
the outer sea.

I am very glad to hear that you secured peace with the Killer Angels. I
presume you got a NAP of some sort? If so, how long does it last? I had also
forgotten about your Phalanxes; those will certainly be useful, though keep
an eye on KA score and power to see if they may have teched Horseback
Riding.

The Ottomans also mentioned a three-way alliance to me. It sounds like a
good idea. Since they will be eliminating the Byzantines, have you already
discussed how that land will be divided? I have not yet found Byzantium, but
I gather that they are to your east. As for the alliance, the Ottomans and I
are still discussing the details, but it would involve a mutual protection
pact, Open Borders, generally trade within the alliance as a first resort,
etc. It's still a bit early, technologically, to provide a lot of assistance
to each other, however.

As for my plans after Operation: Save Our Game (I just made that up), I hope
to peacefully expand into the area that the Zulu once occupied. The Inca are
already in the process of doing so, but right now my financial base is too
weak to expand further. I also hope to colonize the central island, and our
Alliance should probably try to grab as much of it as possible, supposing
that there are valuable resources there.

Best regards,

Whosit, Galactic Emperor

Members of the CotW,

And Jowy in particular. I, of course, received the message. Good to hear
that you've secured a NAP with the Killer Angels. That should buy us the
time that we need. The KA have four cities at the moment, at least according
to my Diplomacy screen. But if they focus on expansion, I can believe the 7
city figure. The only good news is that extra expansion will take a drain on
their commerce (probably minor), and it will force them to defend more
territory, making a multi-pronged strike potentially more effective.

I would also like to assure everyone that I take the threat seriously. I
second Jowy in saying that we have to make sure that, whatever we do, we
permanently cripple them. Aside from their own skills and abilities to come
back from the brink, my life experience has shown me that it is generally
unwise to show mercy to an opponent in games like this. Even if we pillaged
all of their territory down to the last road, if we fail to destroy their
cities, kill their workers, and just leave them alone, they could easily
make a comeback. Although we probably cannot crack their capital, it would
be a major coup to raze it. Speaking of, what will our policy be on cities
taken? I would favor a scorched earth policy, where cities are completely
razed. While we could try to divide them among the Coalition, that seems
neither realistic nor practical; I would certainly have no use for a city
out there. So, we should burn them, and any Coalition members close enough
can settle on the ashes if it is worth their while.

Based on some earlier discussion, it may not be feasible to destroy them
completely if we lack siege. At a minimum, total pillaging and the burning
of any vulnerable cities should be a must. Chances are we may have to leave
their core intact. Something else to consider: Will we make peace when the
mission is "accomplished," or should we all remain at war and basically keep
them under permanent siege? The latter seems a bit impractical and in poor
spirit as well. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't want to pay for a detachment
of soldiers so far away in perpetuity. Perhaps, once we've dealt a solid
blow, we'll sue for peace and each of us will station a reasonably strong
unit in the area to keep on eye on the Killer Angels as they recover. If
they look as though they are becoming strong again, we should destroy them.

Thoughts?

To victory,

Whosit, Galactic Emperor

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]Hello Sullla,

Good to hear that I'm glad we had that chat. Thank you for not settling east of Thebes. I had planned to settle that fish-silk spot myself, but it's a small price for peace. Good luck with the long overdue southern expansion! I really didn't know there's jungle there, though I'm going to scout it out soon. Congrats on calendar, in case you already researched it! With that GNP I wouldn't be surprised.

Happy new year!
~ Jowy[/COLOR]

Dear Members of the CoW,

We wanted to wish you all a Happy New Year! and send you our best
thoughts. We will follow soon with a more technical message.

Athlete and Kalin of the Ottomans

Members of CoW,

That's all good news!
7 cities sounds a bit more realistic then 10. Also their research path
doesn't show an early warfare plan.
If we manage to keep them in the dark about our plans and all play "nice" to
India, we might pull it off.
Calender is a good choice on this map, I think.

Jowy, that means that your NAP ends at turn 100 as well?

We favor Whosit in his proposal of razing cities, but we do understand that
both Jowy and Dantski migth want to keep a city that fits nicely into their
dotmap. We don't see a problem there, but we do believe that the 'gains" of
this war should be about equal for everyone.

We'll be ready to strike at t100 and will come with 4 axes, 2 spears and 2
chariots as a first batch.
If we all agree on a second wave of units a few turns later, we'll come up
with another slightly smaller stack.

Regarding the attack, we're with 5 civs and they have 5 cities now. Do we
all attack from a different point towards a different city to start with of
do we combine our forces? Spreading out makes it more difficult to defend
for them, I think.

We like to hear from everyone what forces you will bring to this war. Also,
Dantski, can you give us more specifik intell on their city placement and
their resouces, so we can come up with a plan of attack?

And of course, best wishes to you all!

Regards,
Nakor of HRE

[COLOR="PaleGreen"]Hey Athlete & Kalin,

Have a good 2010 Anyway, I'm still a bit puzzled did Byzantine actually get metals and how? Now that the turn has changed, twice, you should have seen what they've built with the double-whip. If they don't have metals, do you mind if I keep OB with India so I don't make them suspicious now that I finally calmed them down for a while. If they do have metals, would you now need military help?

~ Jowy[/COLOR]

[Jowy]

Hey Jowy,

Happy New Year to you as well. I'm sorry I totally meant to let you
know. There is 100% no way India has IW at the moment. The Byzantines
double whipped a galley and are in the process of finishing a settler
for an island settlement. However we will finish them by the end of
T82, well before they complete the settler, so we're not worried.
Thanks very much for the offer of help, but we will not need it. Feel
free to keep the OB's with India and thanks for checking with us.

Athlete for A/K
The Rebel Alliance

Dear Friends,

The Rebel Ottoman Alliance will participate with 4-5 HAs and 4
chariots. We will give some of these troops to Jowy and keep some
ourselves. We intend to send a couple more HAs soon after the first
wave.

"We favor Whosit in his proposal of razing cities, but we do understand that
both Jowy and Dantski migth want to keep a city that fits nicely into their
dotmap. We don't see a problem there, but we do believe that the 'gains" of
this war should be about equal for everyone."

I think when it comes to cities, we should discuss on a case by case
basis. I think it may not make sense to raze a city that someone would
want. We fully agree that we should try and balance the gains so that
all parties will feel satisfied. Remember however that stopping the
Indian superpower is in everybody's interest.

"We'll be ready to strike at t100 and will come with 4 axes, 2 spears and 2
chariots as a first batch.
If we all agree on a second wave of units a few turns later, we'll come up
with another slightly smaller stack."

That sounds like a great army!

We have a NAP with India until T100 and we'll be in position to strike
at that time.

"Regarding the attack, we're with 5 civs and they have 5 cities now. Do we
all attack from a different point towards a different city to start with of
do we combine our forces? Spreading out makes it more difficult to defend
for them, I think."

We have to learn a bit more about the lay of the land before fully
deciding. It seems to make most sense for HRE and Romali to coordinate
on one side and for Greece and the Ottomans on the other. The Imperial
troops will be directed where most needed.

I think that depending on the outcome of the first wave we will decide
how to proceed. We may destroy them if we can, or send a second wave
of troops. The most important is that we stick together and discuss. I
am confident there will be no problems.

Kalin for Team A/K of the Ottomans

Dear Friends and Allies,

If one member of the Coalition strongly desires to keep a Killer Angel city,
I do not have a problem with that, though in such case I would prefer that
said ally participates in that attack. I agree that we can discuss it on a
case-by-case basis, though my default position will be to raze a city out of
simplicity.

Due to logistical issues, I can probably only send four Praetorians on Turn
100, but I will be preparing a second wave of 4-6 more. Obviously, I will
use them as the Coalition decides, but until a second wave comes, perhaps
they would best be used either in pairs as protectors for other troops, or
as shock troops to attack a single city (with backup).

Tactically, I think that we should open two fronts at the most. I would not
spread our forces out so much that only one stack can attack one city. We
need to pair up at the very least. Even with five or more cities to defend,
Sullla and Speaker will surely be able to defend their cities against single
stacks. Think of this as an Always War situation for them. Even though we
outnumber them, we cannot overestimate our chances of success, strange as
that might sound coming from the Imperial member of the group. Honestly, I
would rather we combine *all* of our forces into a single Super Stack,
capable of destroying a whole city in one attack (this may be less
surprising coming from the Imperial member of the group). This may be
impractical since Killer Angel territory bisects our Coalition, but I think
that it is better to attack with overwhelming force and be certain of
success than to spread out and dillute our power. In order to counter a
Super Stack, the KA would have to match it in strength, which would mean
leaving their other cities undefended. I doubt that they can or will do
this.

Perhaps we should designate a rally point near Fredericksburg for all of our
forces to coalesce. We start on the outside and march inwards. My knowledge
of their territory is limited, but it sounds like we are waiting to hear
from Dantski on that matter.

I hope that my tactical suggestion is appealing.

To victory,

Whosit, Galactic Emperor

Hi CoW,

I would be happy to give info on where their cities are but you'll need to
tell me where you want me to reference from. I also don't have info on their
5th city and I don't plan on sending my warrior back. Their copper + horses
are placed right in the cente of their initial 4 cities, I don't believe
they have iron currently and their nearest source is right next to Jowy's
forward city.

My NAP with Spulla ends in 10 turns (Turn 90) and I don't plan on renewing.
My most vulnerable city is as good defensively as it can be without a hill
so I'm not too worried about them attacking me if they chose to do so.

As for what we would do with their cities, I would like to keep the
2 closest to me since this war is obviously going to slow my expansion. I
would be happy to discuss other solutions.

-Dantski

Dear Friends,

We don't have a problem with others keeping cities if we manage to capture
them. Let's discuss this on a turn-by-turn basis indeed. Dantski told us he
wants to keep two cities, I don't know about Jowy.

So, we know what the Ottomans and the Empire are sending, how about Romali
and Greece?
Dantski, where would you like our troops to go to? We must move them a bit
carefull since there's an Indian warrior scouting our lands. Do you have an
area that India doesn't have visibility on where we can start parking some
troops? It's quite the long walk for them.

Can you give directions based on Gao?

Whosit, maybe it's an idea to try and split their lands with our two sides
and then join both armies with your preats and strike at their capital.
The Holy Roman Empire will also be preparing a small stack to come later,
but we can't tell how big that will be. It all depends on how the war
developes.
Hope to hear more on the plans soon!

Regards,
Nakor of HRE

Hi CoW's

It's hard to predict how many units I will have to attack since I won't be
building X number of military and then stopping, I can't afford for this
attack to fail so I will have mostly axes with some spears/chariots and one
or two swords maybe.

I think I'd like to see their capital go down first and there's a road
already in place upto their border, the earlier we attack it the better in
my opinion. FYI their capital is near the west coast and we can move into
their border without our units being seen the previous turn. Currently there
are zero Indian units in my land.

From Gao... Gettysburg (Spullan capital) is 15N 2W, Antietam is 15N 2E,
Fredericksburg is 17N 6E and Chancellorsvile is 19N 1E.

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After logging in, Spulla have put a warrior on a hill overlooking my forward
city, I'll send them a polite email to back off. Whosit is apparentely
getting to Spulland by boats so I guess capital attack will be harder for
just me and HRE. If we want to split Spullan forces best then attacking
Antietam (HRE and myself) and Fredericksburg (Greece/Ottomans/Rome) sounds
best

-Dantski

Hi Members of the CoW,

Given the previous messages it looks like there is now a trend that
favors India's elimination rather than simply pillaging. I think
that's a good idea, even though a bit harder to achieve. As such, it
will make most sense for both Romali and Greece to go into total war
mode and keep producing troops, as Dantski already said he'll do. It
will still be good to have a plan for the initial invasion force to
share with the other members. Here's a thought: axes are very good to
start with but if/when we manage to disconnect their copper, swords
will become better against archers!

I think that at least one of Greece and Romali should head to
construction to ensure that the destruction of India will happen. I
think that Greece may be best suited for this given that their UB is
also unlocked by construction.

We should continue to work on coordination for the attack. I am a bit
unsure about attacking their capital first, but if it's doable go for
it. I think that disconnecting their strategic resources is more
important.

Kalin for Team A/K of the Ottomans

P.S.: It's likely I will have less time in the coming weeks, but it
looks that the CoW it's going pretty well and we are headed on the
right path.

Quick note,

Its Korea who get their UU at construction and would suggest someone else
get it. I can build the swords etc.

That's true! However I said U*B* not U*U* for Greece, hence our suggestion.
Kalin

Dear Friends and Allies,

I counted the squares, and it will take me about 11 or 12 turns to reach
Killer Angel territory from my own port, meaning that I would have to ship
off my soldiers on T89 to get there by T100. I am not certain that I will
have a fleet ready by then, but I will make every reasonable effort to be on
time. If, for some reason, I cannot muster a sufficient force in time, would
the Coalition prefer that I send what I have, or take some extra time to
prepare a larger force of Praetorians? The only benefit of a delay that I
can see is that 8 Praetorians suddenly landing on their doorstep might
surprise Sullla and Speaker when they are already fighting against four
other opponents. I will keep you all updated as my schedule becomes more
clear.

To victory,

Whosit, Galactic Emperor

Hi Jowy,

Well, the final battle against Byzantium didn't go so well. We lost
3/5 HAs. We are had 6 HAs (one was behind) and now are left with only
3, which is one short of the 4 we were almost sure to have. We intend
to build at least another one relatively quickly, hopefully it will
make it before T100. At the moment we have a force of 3HA and 4
chariots that will go your way. As we promised we will help you in
your battle against India as much as we can, no matter what happens or
how long it takes.

We have entered an alliance with Rome, and we think it would be good
for you to join as well in a 3-way alliance. However, our alliance
will still stay the same. Let us know your thoughts on this.

We should also start discussing a land partition of the former
Byzantine lands. There is no rush of course. We have not yet fully
scouted that area and it may take us some time to do so as we don't
have spare units for that (all of them will go your way ). As
promised we will be generous and fair, and we'll discuss. Before
settling in that direction we would first consult with you and we
would appreciate if you did the same.

Please let us know if you have any questions or comments.

Kalin for Team A/K of the Ottomans

[Jowy]

What's going on is that two of my cities, Sparta and Corinth, are on military duty. Our capital, Athens, is on workers and settlers (high food, not much hammers) and our front city Thebes is currently working on a monument. I've let the three main cities to grow to maximum size. Might whip now and then, but not as much as before. I think I'll settle atleast one more city before turn 100. That'll be northeast of Thebes and it'd have iron, stone and sheep.

Diplomacy-wise we're just preparing and planning the attack on India. Things are pretty stale atm for me, which is never a good thing, because you know someone else is planning ahead even at this moment. But I really don't have much in mind atm. Just gonna go through with this attack and then see my options. There's a possibility that someone betrays us, because it'd be much better for HRE/Rome/Ottomans to let me and Dantski slow down India in a stalemate war.. That way they can slow down three teams at once. I trust Ottomans that they won't do betray me, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else does.

Tech-wise 5 turns to Mathematics, then I'll probably go for Masonry and Construction.