WW 46: Wolves Return to Realms Beyond

[Lewwyn]

What evidence is there for SD being scum?

Bad early reflexive votes then disappearing and low activity and low reasoning on vote.

[Lewwyn]

What evidence is there for SD being scum?

Bad early reflexive votes then disappearing and low activity and low reasoning on vote.

[Serdoa]

Rowain, I'm struggling to find a lot of meat on the bones of your posts.  I kind of expect you to kick it into gear here before the day is up, but I can't recall if you liked to have a couple days of information before really getting into cases or if you were content with the end of day 1.

I think normally he dies Day 1 or Night 1

I don't see a good reason to jump on the SD waggon now and while I'm willing to give naufr,CMF (and in some small extent) charriu a pass for voting SD now I'm baffled that Lewwyn is still happy sitting on him.

May I ask: Why would you give naufragar a pass? I get the others I think, but naufragar?


Also, without having re-read anything yet: I still don't get it Lewwyn. I know you played like this once before, and I am pretty certain you told me back then as well that you were just happy that we played, but it's not only your actions it's your whole style that screams to me "Hey, I'm here, lynch me, lynch me, lynch me.". I don't see that as a wolf-play (for one I believe you that you are happy to again play) but I don't get it either and that makes me nervous. Your vote just now on Bob doesn't help that. Not the vote, that's fine (I considered doing so as well, but I still think naufragar is too obvious), but your "tone".

(I do had to laugh when I read it though. I saw you in front of me, raising your arm, holding your ring up.)

[Serdoa]

What evidence is there for SD being scum?

To add to what Lewwyn wrote: Even if he is not scum, his current play makes him a burden for us. Imagine having him stay like that and we are down to a few villagers. He won't have contributed, he will be a prime candidate for a lynch every day and that will have derailed the discussion every day and when he is lynched and is not a wolf it will only fuel into more discussions about those that got him lynched.

If you don't have a strong read on anyone being wolf (like naufragar and all the points I laid out...) then voting him is better than most all alternatives, because at best we do catch a wolf that tried to lay low, at worst a villager (which is very likely anyway) that did not contribute. Better than lynching say Lewwyn, who does at least something that leaves marks.

(Though Bob is playing similarly to SD right now. Cyneheard could also contribute more.)

[Lewwyn]

Also, without having re-read anything yet: I still don't get it Lewwyn. I know you played like this once before, and I am pretty certain you told me back then as well that you were just happy that we played, but it's not only your actions it's your whole style that screams to me "Hey, I'm here, lynch me, lynch me, lynch me.". I don't see that as a wolf-play (for one I believe you that you are happy to again play) but I don't get it either and that makes me nervous. Your vote just now on Bob doesn't help that. Not the vote, that's fine (I considered doing so as well, but I still think naufragar is too obvious), but your "tone".

I'm having so much fun, but I disagree with you about "lynch me" I don't want to get lynched.

FWIW I'm taking the game very seriously as usual, I'm just a bit giddy.

(I do had to laugh when I read it though. I saw you in front of me, raising your arm, holding your ring up.)

It was all worth it.

[Rowain]

Rowain, I'm struggling to find a lot of meat on the bones of your posts.  I kind of expect you to kick it into gear here before the day is up, but I can't recall if you liked to have a couple days of information before really getting into cases or if you were content with the end of day 1.  Haven't seen you give much opinion on anyone outside of naufrager, superdeath, and Commodore.  Care to give your thoughts on the day in general so far, and maybe an opinion on one or two of the vets?

You list my meat all right. Else reads? Serdoa does look like town-Serdoa to me. Meiz is as usual and if I put on my MJW-hat he is wolf (for newbies: that's a joke ) but honestly since he missed a lot there is currently not much to say about him.
As a hole the day suffered with people either too busy , too shocked or generally rather silent players to talk much.

[Rowain]

I don't see a good reason to jump on the SD waggon now and while I'm willing to give naufr,CMF (and in some small extent) charriu a pass for voting SD now I'm baffled that Lewwyn is still happy sitting on him.

May I ask: Why would you give naufragar a pass? I get the others I think, but naufragar?

He gets the pass for voting SD because that fits to his play which I rather see as panic-mode.
for one I do wonder if he is not too wolfy to be wolf. Second it makes little sense to sit on him now he has already posted enough to lynch him twice over.  
At the end of the day he might become a very good lynch-target but sitting on him now what do you want to get out of it?
IMO it makes him a convenient target to park a vote (even if he is wolf he is likely to get voted off by his fellow wolfs)

[Commodore]

@Commodore
My reason for voting you is your fast defense of SD. A thing a WW loves to do. In case SD is town Once he is lynched you can point on your defense of a townie and second if this is standard SD-behavior he is a lynch waiting to happen and those are better left for later days for the easy win.

SD behavior is so far anti-town and if he is town I do hope he changes it during the ~20 hours left.

I don't see a good reason to jump on the SD waggon now and while I'm willing to give naufr,CMF (and in some small extent) charriu a pass for voting SD now I'm baffled that Lewwyn is still happy sitting on him.

The levels of WIFOM bafflegab here are smothering me, help. I'm your tunnel target because I "defended" SD...in the same post where you defend SD here at much more damning juncture?

Okay, I get it, I guess. SD's current play (or lack of play) is bad for us, absolutely. But in the jokey early phases, I just cheerfully pointed out his silly Serdoa vote was fairly par for the course. I'm not looking to score town points there, I'm looking to land a nice burn. He's educable, he's not doomed to be a millstone on the village's neck. I get the logic of "better to lynch an easy mislynch than another villager", but I'd rather lynch a wolf.

[GeneralKilCavalry]

Lynch bob, and we get some minimal info on llewyn? Bob has barely been contentious.

Lynch SD, if he is mafia, his targets are likely town because bad mafia. If he is town, late-bandwagoners/defenders are suspect.

SD not-playing is non-unique, a few other players are not interacting much (see bob).

This doesn't mean, that between bob and SD, I would choose to lynch bob, but I feel everyone is coming down a bit hard on SD without a chance for him to defend.

The biggest information lynch is nauf, but I have no confidence he is scum. Nonetheless, I keep my vote on nauf unless someone can convince me otherwise.

[GeneralKilCavalry]

Also, following serdoa's lead,i am going to reread naufragar posts and see if i am still convinced.