WW8: Madness in Outer Space (game thread - players only)

[Erebus]

Just got home from school and see I'm at three votes. I'm not too worried I have a few backup revelations that could help prove my innocence (note I said help, not guarantee like you all seemed to misquote me last game).

I missed this message from Serdoa when surfing in class, so I'd figure I'd respond to help get some votes off me to hopefully SCUM.

@erebus

Besides your "not acting in this thread much because of whatever" you are jumping pretty quickly on here as soon as someone suspects you. And you start to suspect him right away as well ...

Apart from that, some questions:

1.) Why is it bad village play in your opinion to use your special power, even if it ends the day?

2.)

What do you mean with that? Why should they not use powers which wound someone? Only because someone might be able to heal them? That doesn't make sense.

3.)

I can't agree with that. That sounds awfully like "I want a reason to vote for you" and not really a reason to suspect him. Every game he was talking about power-roles, it's what he is doing anyway. No reason to suspect he is a villager for that, but also no reason to suspect that he is a scum.

Let me point out that I'm on PST (GMT -8), so when I made that post defending my content, it was 7:30 in the morning. I was about to head to school and was killing time reading the thread from what I missed while asleep. I made a quick post and headed to school.

Was I supposed to answer a lack of content post by sitting in class from 15:30 GMT till 21:00 GMT when I got home while the votes killed me during down time? It was coincidence more then anything else.


But to the real questions, I have been in character this entire time. I have always been an advocate of judicious and careful use of vigilante powers. I got upset (or as close to upset as I get at games) at you in both WW6 & 7 at what I believed was a poor vigilante attack.

Now not only do we have vigilante powers, but they SUPERSEDE the vote! Tell me who you trust (other then yourself obviously :neenernee) to have the power to decide for everyone else.

I have always felt that vigilante powers are a liability rather then an ability and powers like Winston in this format make it even worse. I'm assuming you don't a kill power, otherwise Novice would probably be dead right now, because we completely disagree on how to use those kinds of powers.

My issue with the revelation of the heal limit was that if the SCUM have a way of wounding at night, they aren't going to wound what they can't kill, this just helps make confirmed innocents. However, if we know exactly who can heal and how often they can do it, then that fear is gone. They could wound someone and finish them off later at their leisure. Granted Novice's wound turned out to be self-inflicted, but we don't know all the powers yet available.

And that's my last point, which I went over. I don't want to know anyone else's powers (SCUM excluded), because the less information available to the SCUM the more cautious they have to be. If they know exactly what everyone is capable of, they can plan around it.

You wouldn't ask a baner to claim, you wouldn't ask a seer to claim unless they had good leads, so why should I let pushing to figure out anyone else's powers stand. But I went over this in my other post.

[Rowain]

Do you think that Catwalk is SCUM?

If yes than why would a dead Catwalk pose a problem? If no why would you want to vote for him.

The longer you wait the less time catwalk is up and available.

[Rowain]

fake edit: My above post is directed at Sareln.

[Erebus]

OMG Two fake edits!

Lynch Rowain and Serdoa!

[Rowain]

Why Serdoa

[Catwalk]

I still think I'm a pretty good villager this game And I do admit I was less than stellar past two games. I made a few factual mistakes due to not reading everything as thoroughly as I should have, I don't think that's particularly damning. Why would I be more likely to make mistakes that are easily pointed out as scum? If anything, lies would probably be planned out a little more carefully as scum.

I wanted the (suspected) vigilante to claim, yes. It gives us a confirmed innocent (or so I thought at the time), which both lets us aim more accurately and gives us one person whose judgement we can trust a little bit more. In game 7 I wanted the seer to claim because I was the baner and I found it highly useful for both seers to claim. Most likely the wolves would have shied away from targetting either of them (due to the risk of losing a kill to the baner), and only one would have been role blocked. I also wanted vigilantes who had already used their shot to claim in WW6 and WW7, yes. I still don't see anything suspicious about that. And I was in fact a villager making that suggestion in both games. I don't see anything suspicious about wanting novice to come out and say what caused it, turns out that he agreed with the suggestion. He wasn't under any pressure to do so, he found it to be a sensible move for the sake of the village. So hang me if you must, but stop calling me a bad villager

Erebus, I do have a power (I suspect we all do) but it'd become a lot less useful if I reveal it. Since a claim won't save me anyway, I'll refrain from claiming even if I end up on the chopping block with 5 votes. It won't do any good to use it at this point either, I'd rather take my chances on surviving the vote. If anything, it makes you a little suspicious that you want someone who hasn't used his ability to reveal it. That does the town no good.

I don't have any strong suspicions at this point. I'd give mild preference to Erebus, Serdoa and Sareln. I suppose Lewwyn as well. I'm still not great at sniffing out scum and would rather not make a fool of myself as has happened the past two games with my suspicions there. That'd do neither me nor the town any good. I think Rowain and novice aremost likely innocent, so if they agree on any suspicion I think that's the town's best bet. If they disagree, I'm inclined to go with novice as Rowain is suspicious of me.

One small hunch: Serdoa posted a "fake-edit", similar to what Erebus did last game. I don't think it's far-fetched to suspect that this is a ploy to establish innocence.

I'll put my vote on Lewwyn for now, on grounds that he's highly suspicious of me, contributes little of value and novice suspects him as well. The vote isn't final if the day continues into tomorrow, I'll try to contribute more then. I do think we should discuss a bit more and switch some votes around before hanging someone, best way to gather information. Slow lynches are (arguably) a little more likely to hit the target than quick lynches, and they also give us more information to analyze later on.

[Sareln]

OMG Two fake edits!

Lynch Rowain and Serdoa!

Why Serdoa

He's joking about fake edits being a tell it seems.

Do you think that Catwalk is SCUM?

If yes than why would a dead Catwalk pose a problem? If no why would you want to vote for him.

The longer you wait the less time catwalk is up and available.

He is the SCUMmiest player to me right now. But I'm gun-shy to put him to 4 and then see him dead before he attempts a defense, since the defense part of the day is the most valuable to the innocents I think.

With no other changes, I will vote for Catwalk in 2 hours.

[Catwalk]

I've posted my defense, so feel free to have a swing I think Rowain's post was making fun of Serdoa, I still think Serdoa is mildly suspicious for the fake-edit.

[Erebus]

Yeah, post 212 Serdoa also fake edit. I didn't want to mention it in my above post as I was trying to be seriousm and Rowain's fake edit opened me up for it, and since a fake edit was the reason I got lynched last game, I was joking. Obviously Rowain's and Serdoa's "fake" edits weren't as bizarre as mine, thus adding to the joke.

Catwalk, Serdoa's fake edit isn't really suspicious in my opinion, he was just comment on a post that may have happened while writing up his post. As mentioned, preview post is pretty important (though mostly for voting posts). Let's try and discuss something useful.

Also I meant to mention that I felt that gun shyness was Sareln's reasoning for not voting.

[Catwalk]

I have a strong suspicion certain Serdoa made his "fake-edit" as a reference to your post in last game, hoping to establish innocence with it. More specifically, you'd be unlikely to vote for him because of it. Which seems to be happening. I'm off for bed, happy lynching if it gets that far!