(August 6th, 2015, 14:52)Gazglum Wrote: I think I side with Rowain on this. I have no way of knowing, but my gut says that torture will be balanced so that the second use will be good for us, and the third use will be dangerous. I wouldn't rule out the irons depending on how things go, but my instinct is probably to save it until we have a smaller target list. It could be very powerful near LyLo, if we still have a working torture chamber then.
Sounds reasonable. I think the intuitive way to have things work would be to have side effects from torturing a villager that depend on the villager's role, and no side effects from torturing scum. That would be random and a "win more" mechanism for both sides, though, so it's probably too much to hope for. So I guess we should show some restraint.
As far as scumhunting goes, Mattimeo definitely needs to explain his vote on me. The reasoning isn't clear and the timing is very suspicious. Jabbz joined the BRick wagon when it no longer mattered, maybe you'd like to walk us through your thought processes in more detail, there. You flopped from heavily suspecting me to preferring a BRick lynch. AdrienIer has the too wrong to be scum thing going for him, but it doesn't exactly clear him either. I would suspect Zak for lurking but his fourth torture vote on BRick practically absolves him. Marcus Aurelius has suspiciously good instincts. Have you played before? Rowain seemed on the ball on the lynch but opposed torturing anyone. Possible medium cover scum but innocent until proven guilty, I suppose. Lewwyn asked Mattimeo some appropriate questions, slept through some of the action, and then voted BRick, based on the torturer's tacit approval. So far so good.
That leaves MJW, Gazglum and me, and I think it's safe to assume that we're all town.
So, just taking the part of the above quote here, please feel free to tell me if this changes the context Novice, but I'm pretty sure it's ok.
(August 6th, 2015, 17:03)novice Wrote: As far as scumhunting goes, ... Jabbz joined the BRick wagon when it no longer mattered, maybe you'd like to walk us through your thought processes in more detail, there. You flopped from heavily suspecting me to preferring a BRick lynch. ...
Ok, so here is the entirety of my "heavily suspecting" you.
(August 5th, 2015, 17:18)Jabbz Wrote: You really want to out the Torturer there novice, and I'm not sure I understand your reasoning for that.
(August 5th, 2015, 18:31)Jabbz Wrote:
(August 5th, 2015, 17:22)novice Wrote: It's just that rereading the thread, BRick is the scummiest player. His reaction to being tortured is also strange. So I'm going for the maximum.
(August 5th, 2015, 17:28)novice Wrote: Oh, and if BRick really was a vanilla villager, which seems like a fishy claim in retrospect, the only possible reactions to torture mentioned by Serdoa are gaining a new win condition and changing alignment. So he's a good lynch either way, ironically.*
*At least the Alanis Morrissette kind of ironic.
My problem with you reaction is that you are trying to out a very valuable resource, to confirm a sense you already have of someone. Lynching Brick might make some sense, I'm not sure on that. Calling for the outing of our torturer, not so much. To me, that makes zero sense from a town perspective. I would never ask a cop to out himself, I'd ask for breadcrumbs, which is what we should do here as well. Your behavior here is very scumlike IMO.
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(August 5th, 2015, 20:06)Jabbz Wrote: So an easy lynch one then the other. The question being whom do we go after first. I'm already good for a novice vote, so this doesn't come hard to me, and if by chance Novice isn't scum, we lynch Brick the next day and get a day 2 scum. There is of course the possibility of an alignment/victory condition change as a result of the torturing, but I guess we will just have to see how that pans out?
(August 6th, 2015, 02:30)Jabbz Wrote:
(August 6th, 2015, 02:18)novice Wrote: I didn't mean to call for the torturer's reveal outright, I just assumed that the torturer would claim if he had an innocent result on BRick, if a BRick lynch caught steam. But it was a risk I was willing to take because I thought BRick was more likely scum than not, so not lynching BRick was more likely to draw out the torturer than lynching BRick would be.
You say yourself that lynching BRick might make some sense, I was doing that and spelling out the consequences at the same time.
Ok, that seems reasonable. I'm ok with lynching Brick, just don't be surprised or upset if I latch onto you hard should he flip town (which does seem rather unlikely at this point).
Brick
That's it. I had an issue with the way it appeared you were trying to out the torturer. You gave me an explanation that I felt made it clear what your intent was, and since my view of your intent was the only thing I had against you, I no longer suspected you. You will also note that I had you and Brick in a tied relationship, where I assumed one or the other of you was scum. Since I had no more reason to suspect you, and Bricks behavior was definitely off at that point, it made sense to go on him.
As you can see, I neither randomly left you, or jumped on Brick.
I wonder if Brick planned to act like a tanner after falling under the gun but Serdoa stopped that plan, oh well...
Mattimeo is the only person to really vote for brick as the other was too late to count. Jabbz switched though...
I'll probably just dump my votes on MA until he explains who he is and why he should up just before getting kicked. Him dumping his vote on Brick is easily explainable ether way so I have no read on him. If MA can offer a good explanation then I'll probably dump my vote on mattimeo.
I should point out that Brick was against a name-claim but it should wait until after the night flips.
It might not be a good idea to totally clear novice, or anyone else as he was the first to vote and push Brick, as Brick might have realized he was screwed after claiming vanilla. I'm pretty sure he would go for taking out a villager then cover. I would suspect Brick picking an easier target than novice if he just wanted to take out a villager.
BTW if Brick is "Kassandra" in death as well. Does that mean that is actually his role? Like he's a God wearing a Kassandra suit and he knows that its "safe to claim" as it were.
But man that's a productive Day 1.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
That's a reasonable question Lewwyn, but I think it's a moot point. The pantheon of Greek heroes is pretty broad, and there are only 11 of us. Not hard to pick someone that won't get you caught.
(August 6th, 2015, 19:35)Lewwyn Wrote: BTW if Brick is "Kassandra" in death as well. Does that mean that is actually his role? Like he's a God wearing a Kassandra suit and he knows that its "safe to claim" as it were.
I guess that is the thing.
(August 6th, 2015, 21:22)Jabbz Wrote: That's a reasonable question Lewwyn, but I think it's a moot point. The pantheon of Greek heroes is pretty broad, and there are only 11 of us. Not hard to pick someone that won't get you caught.
That can only work if the gods have a list of Hero-names in game so they know which one to avoid.
I don't think so Rowain. Given the very large range of heroes there are to chose from, there are pretty good odds you won't pick the same one as someone else. Just go a tiny bit off the main group and you'll be fine.
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