WW 44: Battlestar Galactica

[novice]

What is it you cannot decide? Whether or not Jabbz was fishing for a NK target?

[novice]

Because it's a safe assumption that any info in the thread about suspicions could factor into the choice of a night kill.

[Dp101]

What is it you cannot decide? Whether or not Jabbz was fishing for a NK target?

Yes.

[Gazglum]

Well that's helpful

[Jabbz]

GG Winston.

GG Winston!

I'll start it off.

Perhaps you've missed it (even though I thought it was clear) but my reread didn't make me suspect anyone more than Dp. Without any other lead I'm kind of stuck with a meh vote on Dp

That sucks for me. Must be worse for you with your head on the block :/ Gotta say, slight town lean for this.

Jabbz getting chummy at the deadline.

I was neutral on AdrienIer, a well established fact prior to this engagement. I also voted on the exact same standard, on the same person. We thought alike, and I acknowledged that. Somehow I think had I not engaged with Adrien I still would have gotten this vote. Low hanging fruit?

I hope you stretched a bit before taking that many twists and turns. As I said above, what bothered me was the response he gave to my post. When he was questioned by me the first time, he gave a plausible explanation, and was cool under fire about it. The second time he was questioned by me, not so much. You're doing a lot of work here to make me look bad for what I admit out the game is only a slight scum lean. Supposing we're both alive in the morning, I suppose we can rehash it then. In the meantime, I'm off to bed. Gnight all.

Like I said, I still don't get it. When was the first time he was questioned by you, and what was his explanation then?
When was the second time he was questioned by you, and what was his explanation then?

Whether or not you concluded in a strong scum lean or a slight scum lean is not the point, I'm trying to see if your process was genuine.

And I'm not trying to make you look bad, I'm trying to get a better read on you. Help me out.

I'll be honest, I don't think you're scummy here, I just think your fixated on the wrong person. But, as I am playing in an entirely different fashion than in the past, I understand the suspicion. I just wish we weren't at lylo. As to trying to get a better read on me, I've tried my best to explain my thought processes. I don't know how else to explain them to you at this point :/

Let's say you're town, Jabbz. In that case it's almost certainly Lewwyn + Gaz (from my perspective), which also makes sense for me intuitively, since I couldn't decide who to side with in their discussion. So I'm not tunneling on you as scum Jabbz, but I have been focussing on you, simply because I found things to investigate in your posts.

No, I get it. I've been pretty actively engaging with you and others, which leaves a lot of stuff to analyze. In this small of a game it's not safe to really leave anyone some slack. As long as you keep pushing others, I'm good with it.

So Dp101, where would your vote gone had you felt safe to move it?

Maybe you. Actually, it could have gone on anyone. You and Lew have seemed kinda weird/mildly suspicious, Novice I am bad at reading and thus don't trust my own town read on, and the dirt cast on Gaz by Lew makes him look slightly less clear. Really the only one I probably wouldn't have voted would have been Winston.

Anyone else think that this was scum Jabbz looking for who they should/shouldn't NK? I did at the time, and thought I would try as an experiment to deliberately only name one person as solid town to see if they would get NK'd. Originally I was going to vote Jabbz afterwards, but now I think that's a stupid idea and any mafia reading the thread might have decided based on this. Am I being paranoid, or does this sequence between us implicate Jabbz as part of the NK? I've thought myself in circles at this point and cannot decide.

This question was in direct response to :

Well, sorry about that. As I said, I was having second thoughts at the end, but at that stage switching off might have meant my death, so I had no option other than to continue voting you. Hopefully the doctor pulls through, otherwise we are looking at a D2 lylo.

I think it's fair to ask who you would have voted for, when you are using self preservation to justify lynching a townie. Not asking that question would have allowed you to slide through without having to justify your vote, or put you on record for us to examine today. Further, if you were night killed, we needed information to work with, something Winston provided us with. Moving on to that next.

[Jabbz]

The Winston kill doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He had the lowest post count by a large margin. He had established a list of leans:

Gaz
Dp101
Jabbz
novice
Adrien
Lewwyn


Not feeling terribly confident, though. It's all shades of moderately townie.

in which he doesn't have any solid suspects. One of his two scum leans was town, and the other he says doesn't look outright scummy.

Do you mean that you think Adrien and Lewwyn are towny, but just less towny than the others?

Yeah. Lewwyn and Adrien are the least townie, but neither looks outright scummy.

So scum aren't rolling over here, but nor are any townies begging for a mislynch.

I didn't feel he was likely to be a power role from his level of engagement, though I suppose someone could have thought low engagement meant a Dr trying to maintain low profile. He honestly just didn't contribute enough to be a threat from my perspective, and might have been an easy mislynch today.  Can anyone provide some insight into why he might have died?

[Jabbz]

Oh, and of course Winston's death - who benefits? Lewwyn was the top of his scummy list, and scum only have to get through one more day.

After going through all of Winston's posts, this stood out to me. I think the appropriate phrase here would be least towny, not most scummy, as Winston was very clear about his reads.

Gaz
Dp101
Jabbz
novice
Adrien
Lewwyn


Not feeling terribly confident, though. It's all shades of moderately townie.

Do you mean that you think Adrien and Lewwyn are towny, but just less towny than the others?

Yeah. Lewwyn and Adrien are the least townie, but neither looks outright scummy.

So scum aren't rolling over here, but nor are any townies begging for a mislynch.

I think it's a good idea to pursue Lewwyn, he does look fishy as I said yesterday, but trying to re-label a dead man's reads isn't the way to do it. I know it may seem like a semantics argument, but I think the implication matters when we're talking least towny, with no actual scum vibe, rather than most scummy.

[Jabbz]

Taking a break, then I'll be going back through AdrIen, then I think Lewwyn followed by Gaz. BBL.

[novice]

We should mass claim today, right? Time to get going?
Lewwyn - Dp - Jabbz - Gazglum - Novice is my suggested claim order.

[novice]

So Dp101, where would your vote gone had you felt safe to move it?

Maybe you. Actually, it could have gone on anyone. You and Lew have seemed kinda weird/mildly suspicious, Novice I am bad at reading and thus don't trust my own town read on, and the dirt cast on Gaz by Lew makes him look slightly less clear. Really the only one I probably wouldn't have voted would have been Winston.

Anyone else think that this was scum Jabbz looking for who they should/shouldn't NK? I did at the time, and thought I would try as an experiment to deliberately only name one person as solid town to see if they would get NK'd. Originally I was going to vote Jabbz afterwards, but now I think that's a stupid idea and any mafia reading the thread might have decided based on this. Am I being paranoid, or does this sequence between us implicate Jabbz as part of the NK? I've thought myself in circles at this point and cannot decide.

This question was in direct response to :

Well, sorry about that. As I said, I was having second thoughts at the end, but at that stage switching off might have meant my death, so I had no option other than to continue voting you. Hopefully the doctor pulls through, otherwise we are looking at a D2 lylo.

I think it's fair to ask who you would have voted for, when you are using self preservation to justify lynching a townie. Not asking that question would have allowed you to slide through without having to justify your vote, or put you on record for us to examine today. Further, if you were night killed, we needed information to work with, something Winston provided us with. Moving on to that next.

What Jabbz said, and this is obvious. I really disliked Dp's post there, it feels like a bridge too far in terms of outlandish theories. I got the sudden feeling that Dp is just emulating his own town style.