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(February 2nd, 2023, 17:21)Mjmd Wrote: Biden has returned to more normal American foreign policy. Doing some alliance building and network building in general. Could they do better in areas 100%. 

I don't think Trump was a Russian spy or puppet or any of that jazz. Praising Putin, reduced sanctions, inaction on Russian wrongdoings, creating discord in NATO; off the top of my head. What has Biden given him other than a harder fight in Ukraine? Again, $1B in aid arrived after Biden took office before Russia invaded and there is pretty good evidence US leveraging its intelligence network and tried to warn Ukraine both publicly and privately.

Some facts on sanctions:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674

Also, observe that among the valuable things that Trump gave Putin you listed verbal praise. I suggest you to reflect on that fact. If you think praising an opponent means giving them something valuable in the realm of foreign policy while insulting them (like Biden has repeatedly done) means denying them something valuable, you probably should be a bit less confident in your beliefs on that topic.
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(February 2nd, 2023, 17:21)Mjmd Wrote: Biden has returned to more normal American foreign policy. Doing some alliance building and network building in general. Could they do better in areas 100%. 

I don't think Trump was a Russian spy or puppet or any of that jazz. Praising Putin, reduced sanctions, inaction on Russian wrongdoings, creating discord in NATO; off the top of my head. What has Biden given him other than a harder fight in Ukraine? Again, $1B in aid arrived after Biden took office before Russia invaded and there is pretty good evidence US leveraging its intelligence network and tried to warn Ukraine both publicly and privately.

On the topic of Trump giving "everything" to Putin - I suggest you to pay attention to this very important story: https://coffeeordie.com/wagner-group-syria-khasham/
As someone who studied Putin for the last 20 years, I can tell you with great certainty that after that event Putin suspended all the plans he had against Ukraine until after Trump is out of office.
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(February 2nd, 2023, 17:28)Gavagai Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:11)Mjmd Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:06)Gavagai Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 16:44)Mjmd Wrote: I suspect most of the foreign policy isn't handled by him directly although he has a lot of experience.

Forgot this. I suggest you to think through very carefully the implications of what you have said here.

The best leaders delegate, listen to ideas, and then decide. Shockingly I don't expect any one person to have full knowledge and ideas for all the worlds complex geopolitics. So yes, I think most of the ideas come from you know experts. 

One of Trumps many problems is he always thought he knew best and anyone who disagreed with he got rid of. Surrounding yourself with yes men is not good for any part of ruling.

Here is a story about Trump and delegation.
In 2018 Saudi opposition activist Jamal Khashoggi was brutally murdered in Istanbul by Saudite agents. America effectively condoned the murder failing to take any effective punitive action against Saudi Arabia. I found the statement Trump issued after the event: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/20/polit...index.html The content of this statement is quite incredible but what is most important about it is the fact that Trump wrote it by himself and did not allow much editing, save grammar. This is beyond doubt - his writing style is very recognizable and known from his tweets.
The fact that he did not "delegate" this task to an aide like any sane politician would do, says everything you need to know about his moral character. It shows that he was a better leader than any other member of the current American political elite. And it also explains why it is very unlikely he would allow the war in Ukraine to happen. There are two types of people: those for whom such acts are the most natural thing to do and those to whom they would never occur. And I know very well to what kind of person I would trust all the power and responsibility associated with US Presidency.
It is sad and scary that the more intelligent part of America at some point lost the ability to differentiate between honor and dishonor.

I don't think its a hard argument that you can do something moral in an intelligent way; implying otherwise isn't logical. I'll leave aside arguments of Trumps morality, but considering he tried to without aid to Ukraine for political dirt on a political opponent ...... I would argue he didn't care about Ukraine that much.
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(February 2nd, 2023, 17:44)Gavagai Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:21)Mjmd Wrote: Biden has returned to more normal American foreign policy. Doing some alliance building and network building in general. Could they do better in areas 100%. 

I don't think Trump was a Russian spy or puppet or any of that jazz. Praising Putin, reduced sanctions, inaction on Russian wrongdoings, creating discord in NATO; off the top of my head. What has Biden given him other than a harder fight in Ukraine? Again, $1B in aid arrived after Biden took office before Russia invaded and there is pretty good evidence US leveraging its intelligence network and tried to warn Ukraine both publicly and privately.

On the topic of Trump giving "everything" to Putin - I suggest you to pay attention to this very important story: https://coffeeordie.com/wagner-group-syria-khasham/
As someone who studied Putin for the last 20 years, I can tell you with great certainty that after that event Putin suspended all the plans he had against Ukraine until after Trump is out of office.

The Wagner troops getting killed in Syria was a Russian error. They said they didn't have troops there. 

I also doubt that this kind of day to day terrorist fighting would have involved Presidential involvement under either administration.
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For the sake of comparison. Biden evacuated American ships from the Black Sea right before the invasion, he evacuated American embassy from Kyiv right before the invasion, he told that America will not interfere militarily in case of invasion.
(Even if he had no plans to interfere, think: what could possible have been the purpose in saying it out loud?)
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(February 2nd, 2023, 17:47)Mjmd Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:44)Gavagai Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:21)Mjmd Wrote: Biden has returned to more normal American foreign policy. Doing some alliance building and network building in general. Could they do better in areas 100%. 

I don't think Trump was a Russian spy or puppet or any of that jazz. Praising Putin, reduced sanctions, inaction on Russian wrongdoings, creating discord in NATO; off the top of my head. What has Biden given him other than a harder fight in Ukraine? Again, $1B in aid arrived after Biden took office before Russia invaded and there is pretty good evidence US leveraging its intelligence network and tried to warn Ukraine both publicly and privately.

On the topic of Trump giving "everything" to Putin - I suggest you to pay attention to this very important story: https://coffeeordie.com/wagner-group-syria-khasham/
As someone who studied Putin for the last 20 years, I can tell you with great certainty that after that event Putin suspended all the plans he had against Ukraine until after Trump is out of office.

The Wagner troops getting killed in Syria was a Russian error. They said they didn't have troops there. 

I also doubt that this kind of day to day terrorist fighting would have involved Presidential involvement under either administration.

Given the capabilities US intelligence has, it is pretty much impossible they did not know Wagner troops were here. And I can assure you, the decision to destroy them could only be made at the highest level.
It was not an error, it was a test.
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(February 2nd, 2023, 17:36)Gavagai Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:21)Mjmd Wrote: Biden has returned to more normal American foreign policy. Doing some alliance building and network building in general. Could they do better in areas 100%. 

I don't think Trump was a Russian spy or puppet or any of that jazz. Praising Putin, reduced sanctions, inaction on Russian wrongdoings, creating discord in NATO; off the top of my head. What has Biden given him other than a harder fight in Ukraine? Again, $1B in aid arrived after Biden took office before Russia invaded and there is pretty good evidence US leveraging its intelligence network and tried to warn Ukraine both publicly and privately.

Some facts on sanctions:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674

Also, observe that among the valuable things that Trump gave Putin you listed verbal praise. I suggest you to reflect on that fact. If you think praising an opponent means giving them something valuable in the realm of foreign policy while insulting them (like Biden has repeatedly done) means denying them something valuable, you probably should be a bit less confident in your beliefs on that topic.

I think those SPEICIFIC sanction stories shows a legitimate difference in policy. You have one where the president was trying to play the domestic audience and one where the president was trying to appease foreign allies. Biden wasn't doing it to help Russia, he was doing it to gain political points in Europe. 

As I said when responding to Ginger. Messages can be for different audiences. Praising Russia gives Putin a valuable media victory on the world stage and in Russia and doesn't do anything for US or allies. Insulting Putin when he is the current "bad guy" is just expected.
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(February 2nd, 2023, 17:50)Gavagai Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:47)Mjmd Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:44)Gavagai Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:21)Mjmd Wrote: Biden has returned to more normal American foreign policy. Doing some alliance building and network building in general. Could they do better in areas 100%. 

I don't think Trump was a Russian spy or puppet or any of that jazz. Praising Putin, reduced sanctions, inaction on Russian wrongdoings, creating discord in NATO; off the top of my head. What has Biden given him other than a harder fight in Ukraine? Again, $1B in aid arrived after Biden took office before Russia invaded and there is pretty good evidence US leveraging its intelligence network and tried to warn Ukraine both publicly and privately.

On the topic of Trump giving "everything" to Putin - I suggest you to pay attention to this very important story: https://coffeeordie.com/wagner-group-syria-khasham/
As someone who studied Putin for the last 20 years, I can tell you with great certainty that after that event Putin suspended all the plans he had against Ukraine until after Trump is out of office.

The Wagner troops getting killed in Syria was a Russian error. They said they didn't have troops there. 

I also doubt that this kind of day to day terrorist fighting would have involved Presidential involvement under either administration.

Given the capabilities US intelligence has, it is pretty much impossible they did not know Wagner troops were here. And I can assure you, the decision to destroy them could only be made at the highest level.
It was not an error, it was a test.
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(February 2nd, 2023, 17:47)Gavagai Wrote: For the sake of comparison. Biden evacuated American ships from the Black Sea right before the invasion, he evacuated American embassy from Kyiv right before the invasion, he told that America will not interfere militarily in case of invasion.
(Even if he had no plans to interfere, think: what could possible have been the purpose in saying it out loud?)

USA knew before the invasion that the invasion was happening without a doubt. Not sure what letting Americans die would accomplish here.

Anyway I can't take anything you say seriously if you think that making someone so incompetent, unhinged, selfish and evil as Trump the president of the most powerful country in the world is a good thing.
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(February 2nd, 2023, 17:50)Gavagai Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:47)Mjmd Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:44)Gavagai Wrote:
(February 2nd, 2023, 17:21)Mjmd Wrote: Biden has returned to more normal American foreign policy. Doing some alliance building and network building in general. Could they do better in areas 100%. 

I don't think Trump was a Russian spy or puppet or any of that jazz. Praising Putin, reduced sanctions, inaction on Russian wrongdoings, creating discord in NATO; off the top of my head. What has Biden given him other than a harder fight in Ukraine? Again, $1B in aid arrived after Biden took office before Russia invaded and there is pretty good evidence US leveraging its intelligence network and tried to warn Ukraine both publicly and privately.

On the topic of Trump giving "everything" to Putin - I suggest you to pay attention to this very important story: https://coffeeordie.com/wagner-group-syria-khasham/
As someone who studied Putin for the last 20 years, I can tell you with great certainty that after that event Putin suspended all the plans he had against Ukraine until after Trump is out of office.

The Wagner troops getting killed in Syria was a Russian error. They said they didn't have troops there. 

I also doubt that this kind of day to day terrorist fighting would have involved Presidential involvement under either administration.

Given the capabilities US intelligence has, it is pretty much impossible they did not know Wagner troops were here. And I can assure you, the decision to destroy them could only be made at the highest level.
It was not an error, it was a test.

Your going into speculation.

Is it possible US knew something that Russia didn't about its own force distribution. SURE. Its possible, but other than suspicion the general public probalby won't know for 75 years.
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