WW 45: I'm an Illegal Alien

[Lewwyn]

That was to my colleague Lewwyn. I frikking hate the new quote system, it makes me feel like a Grandpa trying to operate a smartphone.

Click the button on the right end that says view source and you'll get the old system.

[Psillycyber]

And if anyone is wondering why I'm not nominating Rowain off the bat from the working theory that Dp101 is still scum:
1. Apparently my read on Jabbz was shit. Not feeling too confident about my earlier Dp101 read until I do a re-read.
2. Pressure. AdrienIer has not been in the spotlight yet this game.

[Gazglum]

YOu Wield the Sword of Righteous Justice, why not try and stay alive to drive it into my chest on later on, then?

I think people should stop 'locking in' on the first morning.

Because there is no chance that I could convince Rowain without proving my innocence. He's too stubborn.

That is absolute absurdity coming from arguably the best player on the boards. ANd if you 100% believe that you are right, and 100% believe you can't convicne Rowain, and someone has to die, then you should try to kill Rowain so you can win the game for town.

Why are you so convinced Rowain is innocent that you are willing to throw the game by killing yourself? Apart from 'clsasic Rowain', he's good enough to mimic his usual game.

[Lewwyn]

So if you are town, why cant' the team be Rowain + DP? What do you feel about Rowain's game except that he is 'stubborn'?

Rowain's actions are classic village Rowain because village Rowain acts from a point of self-righteousness. It's why he's so eminently recognizable. I don't beleve he would make the statements he made if he did not feel he was in the right, IE a villager.

[Gazglum]

Click the button on the right end that says view source and you'll get the old system.

Thanks sonny!

[Gazglum]

So if you are town, why cant' the team be Rowain + DP? What do you feel about Rowain's game except that he is 'stubborn'?

Rowain's actions are classic village Rowain because village Rowain acts from a point of self-righteousness. It's why he's so eminently recognizable. I don't beleve he would make the statements he made if he did not feel he was in the right, IE a villager.

ANd you are 100%? Sure, I basically agree with you, but not to the point where I would commit suicide over it.

Your feelings aren't consistent. You were justifiably angry at Jabbz choosing death over voting for DP (who he thought was town), and said 'he may have lost the game for us'. Now you would choose death over voting Rowain (who you think is town). Shenanigans, sir!

And why isn't it Adrien? Have you even re-read him?

What is your case against me, in a few dot points?

[Lewwyn]

That is absolute absurdity coming from arguably the best player on the boards. ANd if you 100% believe that you are right, and 100% believe you can't convicne Rowain, and someone has to die, then you should try to kill Rowain so you can win the game for town.

You are suggesting that I simply get Rowain lynched because he's a villager in my way to saving the town. I appreciate the compliment, but one of the reasons I'm pretty good at this game is that I read people fairly well and one of things I avoid in every game is getting into it head to head with Rowain.

Why are you so convinced Rowain is innocent that you are willing to throw the game by killing yourself? Apart from 'clsasic Rowain', he's good enough to mimic his usual game.

As I stated above I have faith in Rowain's innocence.

[Lewwyn]

So if you are town, why cant' the team be Rowain + DP? What do you feel about Rowain's game except that he is 'stubborn'?

Rowain's actions are classic village Rowain because village Rowain acts from a point of self-righteousness. It's why he's so eminently recognizable. I don't beleve he would make the statements he made if he did not feel he was in the right, IE a villager.

ANd you are 100%? Sure, I basically agree with you, but not to the point where I would commit suicide over it.

Your feelings aren't consistent. You were justifiably angry at Jabbz choosing death over voting for DP (who he thought was town), and said 'he may have lost the game for us'. Now you would choose death over voting Rowain (who you think is town). Shenanigans, sir!

And why isn't it Adrien? Have you even re-read him?

What is your case against me, in a few dot points?

I confess to the possibility that Adrien could be scum, though I find it most unlikely.

I do not think that a lynch of only half the town nominated by scum really constitutes a true lynch. It's essentially a way for scum to mess with Town and cause more chaos. As long as DP is lynched D3 then go after Adrien if you truly are town.

[Gazglum]

Then Psilly arrives and Lewwyn keeps going, but I would argue that at this point it would have been hard for him to change. Also, even losign DP, Lewwyn has a strong path to victory ahead of him.

> DAY 1: Lynch DP, unfortunate, but it makes Lewwyn look good and Jabbz look bad
> DAY 2: put up, say, Adrien, Gaz and Rowain to ensure the death of a townie
> DAY 3: lynch Jabbz as DPs partner
> DAY 4: 1 scum and 3 townies left, put up the three townies and win.

So i fact Jabbz was right (in that scenario), his staying alive would only cause problems later on.

That was wrong and dumb. DAY 5 then is an open day with 1 scum and 2 townies, so the game continues. Apologies, and it does make a Lewwyn/DP team riskier.

[AdrienIer]

Here are my thoughts on the post-mortem of the lynch:

1.  IF Dp101 is scum, then it's unlikely that there were scum on the Dp101 vote since there was no way of knowing whether Jabbz would switch his vote onto someone else last minute as self-preservation.  I mean, yeah, Jabbz sounded resigned and a bit spiteful, so it's not entirely surprising that he stuck with his fatalistic vote, but as scum I wouldn't want to take the gamble and make it so close anyways, just in case he changed his mind at the last moment.  Losing a scum like that in a 2-scum game is just not a gambit one can afford, even if you think you can get Jabbz lynched later on down the road.  AdrienIer, a Dp101 voter, I wasn't sure about because of his hesitancy about Dp101 and his general cautiousness, but IF I still believe that Dp101 is scum, then AdrienIer has to be town.  They can't both be scum.  (It goes without saying that Lewwyn reads as very strongly town to me now).  I'd have to take a hard look at Gaz and Rowain in this scenario. 

2.  IF Dp101 is town,  then that meant both were town, and scum had very little pressure to change the outcome with arguments.  The ideal play in this case would be to sit back and let confused townies incriminate themselves and confuse each other.  I could more easily see AdrienIer as being scum than town in this case.  A question to others who know AdrienIer's town play better than me:  would AdrienIer play like he did on Day 1 as town?

So, a lot hinges on whether I still think Dp101 is scum.  In short, I strongly suspect that one of Dp101 and AdrienIer is scum.  They are unlikely to both be scum, and unless someone can explain to me how AdrienIer's play on Day 1 makes sense with both as town, I am suspicious of the idea that both would be town.  

AdrienIer for now.  But I need to go back and re-read on Rowain in light of how Jabbz flipped.

Interesting, your logic is very close to why I'm voting for Lewwyn. My main suspect Dp is not nominated, and the second most suspicious person is incompatible with Dp.

I was uncertain about Dp for a while because of his tone, which until halfway through the day was not unlike last game's. But as the day advanced his posts became worse, so even though I was clinging to my first impression I was more and more tempted to move on him. Even more so because, while Jabbz was the only one with a scummy moment, I was reading him as far more villager-y as the day went by. So on waking up I decided to switch.

To Lewwyn and Gazglum, you do realize that a scum usually attacks his teammate first then gradually moves away from him before the lynch, not the other way around ?