RBP3: Joao of Inca [SPOILERS]

[Nakor]

I'll send your thoughts on to Heracles.

I do think suing for peace is the best option....
I can do some talking and try to negotiate from a position of strength, trying to get the best deal possible.
If we do get peace, I suggest we build 2 settlers immediately and expand like crazy! We've got the axes to defend the place.

[athlete4life10]

Hey Guys,

Saw the note to Heracles, thank you Nakor. Shall I send one to the Aztec's asking for peace?

Athlete

[Nakor]

Sounds like the best option, but we should try to get some tech out of it, claiming we'll keep him busy else.

[Nakor]

Ok, had a chat with Ruff. Here's how it went:

Hi Ruff,

We have decided that continuing this war isn't in our best interest anymore.
So we've made an in game peace proposal. We asked Hunting and Meditation and are willing to sign a long term NAP with your civilization.
Maybe there can be even further cooperation in the (near) future.

We know you might think we're asking for much, but considering how this game is going, it's a cheap deal for you.
We can keep whipping our cities and bring in more axes and very soon chariots, since we've got horses in our second city's first ring.
We're pretty sure we can keep a bigger military and keep your cities very small and all tiles unimproved.
And all the techs you have won't change that one iota.

But, as said before, we like to leave that aggresive past behind us and move into a peacefull future with our close neighbours.

We hope to hear from you soon.

Nakor for JANK

me: Hi Ruff, Nakor here
Rapoleon_Hi: hi there
me: I assume you are reading our mail
Rapoleon_Hi: I am
me: Ok
Maybe we can have a short chat about it.
Rapoleon_Hi: are you looking for a response?
me: if that's possible, yes
Rapoleon_Hi: well - what are you planning on paying me for you aggressively declaring on me, pillaging 2 farms and 1 mine?
me: you want the friendly or the agressive response?
Rapoleon_Hi: well - is my comment above wrong?
me: nope
completely true
but looking at the game, we can keep you busy for a very long time
Rapoleon_Hi: so who is the wronged party here?
me: well...
you've taken heavier losses then we indeed
we lost an axe
Look, we don't want to drag this war out. We want to grow and maybe play a part in this game in the future that;s more then a footnote. I'm sure you want the same
Rapoleon_Hi: so - why are you asking for tech
me: continuing this war isn't in both our best interest
because we CAN keep you busy.
Our units can attack your workers now or pillage you copper mine next turn
we've got more axes to bring in and try to finish the job
Rapoleon_Hi: your units will all be dead by the time you get the chance to pillage my copper mine
me: and maybe even some allies
sure they will
there must be more Ottoman chariots where the first came from
Rapoleon_Hi: look - I want peace - you want peace
me: yes
Rapoleon_Hi: make me an offer that doesn't make me laugh my ass off and forward it to friends that might want some cheering up and and we'll see what we can do
me: what's your proposal then?
(and besided that, what are those minor techs worth to you after this turn?)Rapoleon_Hi: well - if there wasn't a war, I would have a 3rd city by now and be working on a 4th
however, given that you will probably just laugh at that
how about peace and you throw in a cheap settler and a worker
I agree not to kill your units
and you agree to return them to your land
me: and why would we do that?
we have no proof whatsover that you can kill our units
Rapoleon_Hi: did you not read all of my comments to you about what would happen if you declared?
did I make 1 factual mis-statement!!
I had multiple surprises waiting for you but you still stuck your head over the hill
why do people not trust what I say to them
me: trust isn't the issue here.
sure, we did trust you and did expect some surprises.
Rapoleon_Hi: you just said ... "we have no proof whatsover that you can kill our units"
just after I said I would kill your units
me: but we can handle those surprises
Rapoleon_Hi: how about I kill them and they you have some proof
anyway - I need to go ... report back to JANK and come back with a sensible deal
me: okay.
but... are you the one actually doing the killing?
but I guess this will mean we'll battle on
Rapoleon_Hi: well - the ottomans killed your first axe
but see what happens next turn if you want to
me: I'll post your thoughts in our thread and we'll see
Athlete will probably reply later in
on

I'm off to bed and will leave this in your capable hands.

I'd rather go out with a bang than weazel my way out of this.
We can connect the horses and have chariots join our war band.

Good night!

[athlete4life10]

K guys...we've got peace.

I've no idea if you'll be happy with this or not. I felt it more important to get peace though. I feel confident we can out expand Ruff. I've also never felt I've been a great negotiator.

Terms are:

We have a mutual NAP until T100 inclusive.

He relinquishes stone city site.

We give him 30 gold when currency comes in (either side) to compensate for pillaged tiles.

We move our units back to our borders in the most expepeditious route possible.

[athlete4life10]

Given we now have peace, I put both cities on workers. The capital will chop it's out and Kiwi Town will slow build it. Both should grow to size 4 and then double whip settlers I think.

Tech still on Hunting @ 0%

Athlete

[athlete4life10]

ottomans have asked for peace...i'm ok with the proposal though maybe we should get the NAP to T100 as well?

[Nakor]

EDIT: Just read the chat you had with Ruff. I really don't like his interpretation of things, it's very one-sided. Don't know if I should respond to him calling me a liar.

Good job, Athlete, don't know if there was a better deal possible.
Don't you think we should chop a settler first from JANK to claim the commerce site and get our economy going?

Let's accept peace with the Ottomans and discuss the NAP with them afterwards.

[athlete4life10]

yes I lost a little bit of respect for Ruff from that chat.

He seems to have taken the war quite personally and seemed insulted by your offer. He may be playing it up a bit but there's no need to overdue it...I'd relate his attitude towards that of an overemotional woman...he seems to be speaking through his emotions rather than objectively...I wouldn't make anything more of it now...it would probably only make worse whatever tension he's feeling.

[athlete4life10]

Don't you think we should chop a settler first from JANK to claim the commerce site and get our economy going?

Let's accept peace with the Ottomans and discuss the NAP with them afterwards.

Offered the Ottomans peace in game.

I went workers first as their's better value in slaving out the settler and if we went settler(s) first we'd be short workers trying to catch up. We'll have the sheep online when the worker is finished so we'll be able to grow to size 4 quickly to 2 pop whip a settler...and we'll be able to get a chop in there if need be. The road network should be complete as well so we should get maximum efficiency getting our commerce site up and running i think. We'll also be able to chop a settler out of kiwi town when the border pops.

Athlete