August 9th, 2022, 10:44
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(August 9th, 2022, 06:51)Ginger() Wrote: (August 9th, 2022, 04:55)darrelljs Wrote: The practical outcome is motivating the Republican base right before the midterms. Lovely.
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This is the kind of reasoning that leads you to do nothing because "omg there might be backlash". You are not going to please Trump fans by trying the enforce the rule of law. In fact, unless you're a blithering mess (jfc look at that staff turnover) of a president with enough vulgarity to show that you're "one of them", you're probably never gonna please or hush them, period. You saw what happened with Mike Pence, for whom the coup attempt was a straw too far, and he is publicly repudiated as a result. The idea of appeasement is dangerous and inevitably normalizes Trump's actions.
Frankly I have no idea how that call to the GA sec of state seeking to create more votes wasn't the end of this circus
Trump should’ve been pursued on incitement of violence, full stop. There was mass agreement he caused the events on Jan 6 in the months after, but that has since changed, as people pass the event from lived memory to political history (unlike what happened with 9/11, where it has become a civic holiday and a never-ending reminder to give up your rights for the security state).
So at this point, no new evidence from this raid will change opinions, instead only incite. This is stretching out longer than watergate, when there was one clear charge, one clear moment, for which Trump should’ve been indicted/arrested/had justice done to him.
There’s also the argument this will be used to disqualify him from running if there is evidence of mishandling documents. The legality of that would be immediately challenged, brought to a republican Supreme Court, and struck down in favor of trump. Instead of playing realpolitik for the last 40 years, the dems have been playing realdumb.
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(August 9th, 2022, 09:49)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: I think this helps the GOP a little for now.
Yeah turnout is high but not 100%, and midterms there is always a dip. In so far as people equate persecution of Trump as persecution of their American Way, it will get them out to vote even with him not on the ballot.
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August 9th, 2022, 11:30
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Again how much more "incited" can Trumps base be? I don't think this converts anyone to his side? If we don't have legal accountability then what kind of nation are we? And for those wanting DOJ to go after Democrats who break the law as well. YES! We should expect the DOJ to do these things. I would also hope voters would hold politicians to accountability as well.
I hope* and assume this is just an opening volley from the DOJ. I don't think they would have done this without a plan and a mountain of evidence. I expect them to move semi fast as well.
For the first time in a bit I hopped over to fox news. Its a very mixed bag atm. I'm not sure they know what to do. Some of the things you would expect, but sandwiched in between is some actual Democrat statements and some talking of accountability.
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(August 9th, 2022, 10:44)GeneralKilCavalry Wrote: Instead of playing realpolitik for the last 40 years, the dems have been playing realdumb.
It’s about time for a new QotM  .
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(August 9th, 2022, 11:30)darrelljs Wrote: (August 9th, 2022, 10:44)GeneralKilCavalry Wrote: Instead of playing realpolitik for the last 40 years, the dems have been playing realdumb.
It’s about time for a new QotM .
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It is, but this thread shouldn't be the source of QOTM.
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(August 9th, 2022, 09:49)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: I think this helps the GOP a little for now.
Doubt it. "Dems are winning, let's keep it going" is a powerful message, and this fuels that, and is on top of several weeks of good news for Dems. And there's three more months for more to develop - like Ways & Means just got the go-ahead to get Trump's taxes.
The right is reacting by saying things like "Defund the FBI", and "no one is above the law, BUT Trump shouldn't be investigated", this is absolutely not a winning message but they're too tied to Trump to admit otherwise.
Also, this makes it way more likely that Trump announces his candidacy for 2024 in September. That will absolutely make it infinitely easier to tie every single Republican candidate to Trump.
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Ill make a 5$ bet right now that Trump does not go thru with trying to become president in 2024.
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(August 9th, 2022, 17:15)Cyneheard Wrote: It is, but this thread shouldn't be the source of QOTM.
That’s just racist.
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(August 9th, 2022, 17:43)superdeath Wrote: Ill make a 5$ bet right now that Trump does not go thru with trying to become president in 2024.
Nah I think he does, it's an ego thing.
That being said, barring any (further) health deterioration for either candidate, I don't think it's unlikely that Biden just beats him again.
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Quote:"Dems are winning, let's keep it going" is a powerful message, and this fuels that, and is on top of several weeks of good news for Dems.
The Dems fell ass-backwards into a strategy that might actually work - do everything so terribly for the first 1.5 years that the next few months can only be an "improvement".
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