WW16: The Outlaws and The Olives

[novice]

Come on guys, make up your minds.

You want information, yet you keep going back to Selrahc whose death will give us nothing.

It will give us a mafia member, and we'll have several days of voting to study where beginning Selrahc wagons kept evaporating.* I think that would give us just as good if not better info than lynching a wolf Meiz. At any rate, we can't lynch solely for info, we need to lynch mafia and then work with whatever info the lynches and nightkills give us.

*Conversely, if Selrahc flips villager we can look at who kept bringing up Selrahc as a target when other suspects were on the block.

The case against Selrahc:
- lurking
- bad votes, e.g. Voted Qqqq even though he said he suspected Mattimeo
- extremely narrow footprint, doesn't associate himself with other players
- focuses on meta whenever he posts.

The case against Meiz:
- ???
- He was post restricted

The case on Meiz seems very thin, especially since I know that there is a post restrictor.

[waterbat]

ill probably miss the deadline completely today... small chance i will be here.

"predicted lynch tally?" really?

not much else to say.

[Injera]

Okay. Did a quick read.

Lynching Meiz means that we have somewhere to go whether he is guilty or not, and I think he could be and I want an end to some of my suspicions that have been lingering for too long.

I more or less agree with this, but two things bug me:

1) The Meiz wagon consists mostly of people who were trying to lynch me, of which I'd be pretty surprised if there wasn't at least some wolve(s) involved. Also, the last three voters on me all switched in an 18 minute period. Moreover, Gaspar seems to have completely forgotten about me as I'm not even his alternate vote (Ichabod) if Meiz doesn't go through.

2) It seems like this collapsed into a two-party race pretty fast.

[novice]

2) It seems like this collapsed into a two-party race pretty fast.

Agreed. My alternates are Molach, Tasunke and Lewwyn.

[BRickAstley]

Official Vote Count

Selrahc - 6 - Meiz, novice, Waterbat, Molach, Jkaen, Pindicator
Meiz - 5 - Azza, Ichabod, tasunke, Gaspar, Twinkletoes89
Azza - 2 - Catwalk, Lewwyn
tasunke - 1 - Selrahc
Gaspar - 1 - Injera

Players not voting: None

[waterbat]

2) It seems like this collapsed into a two-party race pretty fast.

This bugged me as well, but still see 4 possibilties:

1) villager run on another villager
2) mafia run to save selrahc
3) mafia run to get 2 villagers up there
4) villager run on a mafia

i doubt its a wolf run on a wolf situation.

[Catwalk]

novice, how about Azza? Quoting myself from earlier:
"I think his posts and votes have been very guarded all game. Villagers will tend to speak freely, scum will tend to speak very carefully."
Moreover, he has a habit of voting safely. I will post his voting record after I get back in a few hours, I think it reeks of lying low and not wanting to get involved with anything.

[Azza]

@azza - So you don't see any chance that Meiz and I are both villagers and he just really thinks I'm scum? It has some supporters, i believe. Or should I think everyone who voted twice for me is scum? In other words, what do you see that sets Meiz apart?

I think it's possible that both you and Meiz are villagers. But I think the post restriction on Meiz was used by the mafia to divert attention away from Meiz. His voting record merely fails to convince me he's village, rather than damning him.

[novice]

Village: TT, Injera, Novice
Leaning Village: Lewwyn, Catwalk
Limbo: Gaspar, Rowain, Waterbat, Meiz, Ichabod, JKaen, Molach
Leaning wolf: Tasunke, Pindicator, Azza

Right, found it. And Pindicator moved up to Limbo?

I'll join Selrahc on Tasunke then.

Catwalk, about Azza - his play is also typical villager play, maybe not how we're used to here on RB, but I don't think his play is inherently scummy. I just read him as used to a slightly different playstyle, à la VM.

[Meiz]

That's interesting, no pindicator bandwagon today...

Azza, what did you think from this? Do you think it's village or wolf tell on pindicator?