American Politics Discussion Thread

[Mjmd]

Your fine Darrell. This has been good discussion on different normal political viewpoints.

I'll also point out that I don't believe there isn't a place for fed to lower interest rates and use quantitative easing as a fast action. I was just stating individual payments are more effective (immediate inflow at the lowest level). People seem to have no trouble with tax cuts to prevent a recession and payments are just faster. I'm not in favor of any time outside of that situation it should be noted.

[Mjmd]

I know this is a Wisconsin only thing, but it does make me feel good that maybe just maybe Republicans are growing some balls about the whole election denial thing. Are they growing them after a mildly meh election for them, sure, but again that is why voting on the issue matters, it is the only thing that makes these kind of changes possible.

https://www.tmj4.com/decision2022/trump-...bly-caucus

On a side note on gerrymandering, WI is a 50/50 state and we are narrowly avoiding a Republican supermajority...............

[Jowy]

Maybe it was worth losing the house to get rid of Pelosi.

[Mjmd]

I mean she is corrupt, but that is a pretty high price. Mind it was fairly guaranteed. Still I would rather she have been primaried and held accountable that way.

[Charriu]

And she leaving office shortly after an attack on her husbend meant for her isn't that good of a sign. Somewhat makes that attacker the winner, which is not good.

[Mjmd]

Ya that whole situation and specifically the republican response was disgusting and wrong.

[Cyneheard]

Maybe it was worth losing the house to get rid of Pelosi.

Pelosi was never the problem. She single-handedly saved the ACA when Dems almost gave up completely. These past two years, she got the House to move on well, everything - it's the Senate that was the problem - even though she only had like 5 votes to spare.

She's stepping back now partly because of Paul, partly because with a GOP majority it's as good a time as any to pass the torch; if the GOP majority was going to be 218 or 219, it might've been tempting, but not at 221/222.

[Mjmd]

So usually I rate Republicans better than Democrats at playing the political game, but I think they are losing their touch. In my mind I was expecting they would wait until Biden announced he is running for reelection to start investigating Hunter Biden. Right now you just look like hypocritical assholes whose first action isn't actually fixing any of the problems you got elected on. I mean I know they don't have solutions, but you could at least let people forget what you ran on first. Plus Biden is super beatable, but apply pressure this early and he will probably not run again (although allure of power maybe, but I still think he won't).

I do want to clarify if Republicans ACTUALLY have proof Biden was involved, sure go after the corruption. Its pretty clear Hunter was in some grey area using dads influence to sit pretty on board of directors he wasn't qualified for at the very least. Is it hypocritical? Absolutely! But that is one of the advantages of having two parties is that they tend to go after corruption in the other party, even if they ignore their own. Now if it is JUST that Hunter Biden committed a crime I would rather Attorneys Generals do the investigation like all the ones against Trumps business dealings and all the shady stuff his family is involved in.

[Cyneheard]

Underestimate Biden at your own risk. And Biden will run as long as his health allows.

This GOP isn't the GOP of 2015, not anymore. There's a reason the GOP didn't get the Senate and barely got the House, and if the Dem parties in CA and NY had their act together the GOP wouldn't have even gotten that. So of course the GOP is going to lean into their worst instincts the moment they have power - that's been a Trump feature since Day 1 and it's still Trump's party until proven otherwise.

[darrelljs]

This GOP isn't the GOP of 2015, not anymore.

There's no better evidence of this than the fact that there are more Blue state governments than red.  Given the bias towards rural voters and the tendency of rural voters to be conservative, this is astonishing.  Trump has changed the party in a way that benefits only Trump, unsurprisingly.  I still worry it's close enough that he could eke out a win if we have a protracted recession and inflation persists, but they have become uncompetitive in contested contests.  The worst part for them is that the primaries will almost assuredly nominate the least electable candidate.

Darrell