RB Pitboss #1 SPOILER - Hatshepsut / India

[regoarrarr]

Some emails out there about the other tech trading that went on

Sunrise

Krill got at least Iron Working, and Shadyforce got at least mysticism

Though I wish they had not got anything, maybe this will make Krill calm down about our advantages - I really do think if we stick together we benefit, since we can perfectly avoid duplicating research, but even random research will get you half way there with so many other civs out there.

-sunrise

Kalin

I am not sure how this will calm Krill down... If anything I'd think
he'll be bolder now that he can get back into the game and he's
expanded very well. I can see him attacking one of us once he gets
construction, which is why I think it's important that we also get it
asap.

Kalin

Me

Ruff got Med, Masonry, Myst, Writing, Archery, Pottery and HBR
Shady got Alpha of course and then traded for Myst, IW, Med, Phood and HBR
Krill got Med, Masonry, and IW
M-H got Agri, IW, Sailing, Archery and HBR

I can not see dsplaisted and Imhotep got nothing. The 2 of them were definitely the big losers.

[regoarrarr]

Not sure if I posted this before but this was an email I sent to ruff

Ruff,

So wouldn't that make Krill to your northeast? I know that he is somewhat to the east of Imhotep, but am fairly unclear on the distances involved. Where are your Praets now? I know (think?) that they were near Imhotep a few turns ago but am not sure where you have moved that since then.

But let's assume that a) we could find a suitable target and b) we could figure out a suitable payment. How would it work?

What I mean by that is obviously you have a wide range of latitude in determining how... aggressive? you are with your forces. You could declare war but only half heartedly attempt to harass the person, or you could go whole hog and really knock them around. I don't know what the best way would be to arrange things. Maybe some sort of upfront payment as well as some sort of additional payment per city taken / unit killed / worker stolen? I don't know how we would best "prove" that stuff though.

Do you have any thoughts on that? As for another round, we have had some discussions about another round but nothing set in concrete. What are you teching right now?

His reply

I think an up-front payment followed by city taken incentives would be
best (easy to verify).

I am currently saving $ for a few rounds - next tech is unclear at present.

So - are you saying that your tech cartel is falling apart? If so, do
you have any idea how it will fracture?

My reply

Yeah that makes sense. Though I was talking with another civ last night who is having some military trouble / conflict with another civ (names hidden to protect the innocent), and he said to offer you all of our techs if you would eliminate this other civ.

Of course that was before you snagged 7 techs overnight so maybe that's not as attractive.

I wouldn't say that our tech "cartel" is falling apart. But certainly given that (almost) everyone else has caught up (nearly), I'd say there are certainly opportunities for mutually beneficial trades. I am currently researching currency

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Reply back from m-h

Hi regoarrarr,
Our price would be 80g.
This is open to negotiation, but only to some extent, as time is of essence.
Payment terms could be something like 50% upfront & the other 50% in 10 instalments for example.

mh & Kodii

I think that's a decent price. My initial thoughts were 50g. I will write back and try and figure something out.

[regoarrarr]

Email exchange with m-h

Hi,
so do we meet in middle?
65g?

My reply

Sounds good. I can pay you 35g the turn I discover Currency and 30g within 15 turns after that.

Does that work?

Agreed.
When is ETA for Currency, so we can plan our cashflow?

T87. Would you do me a favor and make a post in your thread, estimating when you think you could have gotten the Gardens, just so after the game I can see how close it may or may not have been. I will do something similar

I think I probably could have gotten it on T93 or 94. But if everyone either has agreed to not build the HG or doesn't have math (or gets it late), then I plan on delaying it a bit to settle more cities. 5th city is on its way (T88) and I am already planning on how I can get 2 more by T95 or so. Krill just founded his 7th city last turn (T82) to give a comparison.

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Email to ruff

Hey Ruff,

I wanted to clarify what I said yesterday about sunrise / the Lins. Neither of them asked me to ask you to attack Krill - that was all me (and even I wasn't doing it very seriously). I don't know what your relationship is with Krill - for all I know, you guys are best buds and you went and shared with him everything I said.

I believe Krill has a NAP with both of them, and I would not want him using what I told you as an excuse (Gunpowder anyone?) to cancel it.

Does that make sense?

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Email to krill

Hey Krill,

Did you need anything this morning, or was it just a misclick?

Congratulations on the founding of your 7th city. You certainly are maximizing your traits!!

So, you will have seen that I have not yet canceled our NAP / OB agreement. I was pondering doing that soon, as I have now circumnavigated and my warriors have (I think?) made it out of your lands, or soon will.

But I thought that I would chase you up just to see what your thoughts were on the matter. Did you ever end up working out a NAP with sunrise and the Lins that you had offered back a few turns ago? Do you want to continue a NAP with me?

Would you be interested in working out a deal for Math? I see that you have engaged in your own tech trading group and picked up quite a few techs.

Anything else? How do you read the board at this point?

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Email to ZPV

Hey ZPV,

Just wanted to chase you up on the HG. I assume that you have "enough on your hands" (literally!) and are not planning on building the HG, but wanted to verify with you. I see that you have the horses roaded and I assume soon to be pastured. How go the attack plans? How many NCs do you think it will take? You will have noticed that shady has an archer NE of fairfield and an immortal to the SE, probably serving as sentries. I assume that you will want to bypass them.

And to the lins

Hey Lins,

Just wanted to chase you up on the HG. I assume that you are not planning on building the HG, but wanted to verify.

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Email to the G5

Wanted to follow up with everyone here. I know that we are all agreed on the 2nd round, but we need to have some discussions here on the 3rd round, if we're going to do so. I will be completing currency before too long and so I need to figure out what to research next. Obviously I'll be running some 0% for several turns, but I'd like to put even that 1 beaker in the right place.

Sunrise had suggested in a chat a few days ago that the third should be something like Aesthetics+Lit/Drama, Theo, Machinery, Civil Service, and Compass.

Broker tells me that dsplaisted just finished Metal Casting last turn (T82), so I don't know how that affects things if at all.

Also, I'm starting to get worried about Krill. Now that he has NAPs with the Lins and sunrise, he is really leveraging his traits by expanding like crazy (he now has 7! cities). So while I have been in the past lukewarm about our attacking plan, I am warming up! Let's talk about what needs to happen and when.

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Email to shadyforce

Hey Shadyforce,

I was wondering if you might be willing to move your archer that is near Green Township a tile or two away from my borders? I know that you are probably just surveying the scene and that's perfectly fine with me. I will have a worker next to him in a few turns and while I could cover him with a unit, it would be more convenient for me if I didn't have to. I'm not looking at the map right now, but I seem to recall that there was another hill a tile or 2 away.

So, besides that, how are things going? I know that we do not have a NAP, but we seem to have good relations, wouldn't you agree? Are there any resource trades that look to make sense any time soon? I seem to remember that at this point that we each have pretty much the same resources, and not many extras of anything (if any).

Someone told me that dsplaisted just researched Metal Casting and is trading it around - are you part of that group? It seems pretty clear that he is going for the GLH / Colossus water economy combination, which could prove to be pretty powerful on this kind of map.

Talk to you soon!

And one to Imhotep

Hey Imhotep,

I just thought I would check in with you. It seems that you are not a very talkative guy, and that is fine with me. Still, I hope that you do not mind me "talking your ear off", so to speak.

I was thinking about our relations the other day, and remembering that we have a NAP through T103, with no automatic extension or anything. And what seemed like a long time away when we signed it seems to be sneaking right up on us. T103 is now 20 turns or so away.

So I thought I'd start off with some discussions about whether or not you wanted to renew or extend it. Any thoughts? I thought it might also be useful to have some discussions about where you saw our borders lining up. I know that you settled an early city towards ruff (i.e. away from me) and I have similarly put most of my cities to my south. But obviously eventually we're going to have to start settling to my NE and your W (the common area between us).

I haven't explored a whole lot up there, but I seem to remember there being a river that was about 9 tiles from my capital and 10-11 from yours that might make sense as a border. I was thinking of putting my border city maybe at the mouth of this river (I think there's a fish there?). Obviously this is still very early on and I haven't made any concrete plans in that area, but I thought it was a useful thing to talk about.

Hope to hear from you soon

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Reply back from the lins

Hi Rego,

Sorry, I meant to answer before and forgot... No, we will not be chasing HG.

Kalin