RB Pitboss #1 SPOILER - Hatshepsut / India

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Reply back to the G5 from Kalin

This is a welcome discussion! I also suggested we start talking about
3rd wave, as it's always good to start early.

I also wanted to clarify that we don't have a NAP with Krill, but we
are talking about one. The ball has been in their court however so I
suspect they may not want a NAP anymore which is no good for us of
course. I also strongly suspect they will be going for construction
and since they have HR already we are likely to be facing Elephants by
the time we would be attacking them.

Regarding an attack on Krill, I would like you guys to start the
discussion as you have a lot more experience here. My thoughts are:

* ZPV being quite far it makes sense for him to send 2-move units: NC
and chariots...

* There is a good opportunity for a naval landing in Krill's
backcourt. Krill also has a horse coastal city that it may be even
possible to raze from boats! We should strongly consider this option!

Kalin

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Email from shadyforce

I didn't mean to appear threatening - she is on a nice lookout spot, like Pestilence on that other hill (at least he has a threatening name!). Yes, of course I'll move her back a little. Is it the Iron tile you will be working?

I didn't realise dsp had Metal Casting already. I logged in briefly this morning to play my turn but I was running off to work so I didn't have time to check the various demog/trade screens. I wonder if I have anything to trade him for it - I'm sure I can arrange something. It's a pity you haven't met him yet or you'd probably be able to trade Currency or something for it. Who else got it off him? I would personally love the Colossus but I decided against chasing it because MC was too expensive and I figured I'd get in early-ish on trades with Alpha and pick up more essential stuff. I too would have assumed that the guy who gets MC first would be the one trying to build it but if he's already traded it around to people according to your source, then maybe he isn't interested after all? I wonder did he trade it to MH/Kodii (I can't find out till I get home, grr!) I don't fancy my chances in a race with Mr. Industrious with cheap Forges and cheap Wonders... even with Alphabet boosted chops. The synergy with the GLH is pretty good, but 4 commerce water tiles would also have been sweet. Oh well.

I haven't checked the resource list lately but once everyone hooks up more resources, there may be more trades possible. Lets keep an eye out for resource trades in the near future.

"So, besides that, how are things going? I know that we do not have a NAP, but we seem to have good relations, wouldn't you agree?"
Is that a roundabout way of asking me: "Are you planning to attack me anytime soon?"

Our relations are cordial. But it's obvious you don't trust me that much, covering workers, etc (not that I blame you with all the game's worker steals so far). I also note a power build up in India (and I don't just mean from tech) for reasons as yet unknown. And I also raised eyebrows when India enacts multiple simultanious pre-arranged tech trades with various other civs while Persia was never asked about arranging a tech trade, nor was my enquiring messages replied to. So we have good relations, but they could be better.

Brian.
(shadyforce of Persia)

My reply

Good to hear from you. And I know you did not mean your archer to appear threatening. It's not threatening at the current point in time but since I'll have a worker nearby I was just nervous. And yes, you are correct, the iron tile.

As for Metal Casting, it was just passed on to me - I have not yet logged in since it happened to see for myself, and of course, dsplaisted is the one civ I have not yet met, so I can't see things for sure, or even talk to him. If you do happen to talk to him about trades, would you mind mentioning that I would be interested in it and could offer Math and/or Currency in some sort of combination.

I would be surprised if dsp traded that away without securing some sort of no-build clause on the Colossus. Since he's the one that built the GLH, it would seem to make sense to go for the synergy between those 2 wonders.


Is that a roundabout way of asking me: "Are you planning to attack me anytime soon?"

Naturally! :-). I have to say I do not know what to expect from this game really. As I believe I have said before, I am just a peaceful kind of guy. I had a chance to steal one of Imhotep's workers early on but chose not to do that since it's just not my style. But obviously it does appeal to some people, and that's fine. Personally, I don't really like war, but it seemed obvious that MP is a whole new animal and it seemed prudent to play some good defense.

You are correct that I have a good power (last time I checked I was #1 in soldiers). One reason is that I have all my cities hooked up to metal, and I only recently secured Archery, so the only things I could build were axes or spears. And I do have several units out scouting.

As for the tech trades, that is true. I did have an agreement to make those trades, and I plead guilty to kind of sidestepping your questions about it. But that is in the past - any thoughts going forwards? Do we have the ability to hook up at this point? I am researching Currency as you well know, will you be researching something that can trade for that?

I hope to hear from you soon, and I do plan on sending a unit towards your land so that I can finally get some trade routes from you (to make up for the ones you have from me) whenever I can spare a unit.

Annoyingly I posted a long thread with emails from Krill that the RB server ate

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Chat with the G5

Dreylin and Kalin has joined.
Lane Conaway has joined.
Broker has joined.
Dreylin: it looks like almost everybody is online!
only ZPV didn't join...
I have about 15 minutes...
if you guys want to discuss
me: hi
Dreylin: hi rego
me: i also have about 15 mins
ZPV has joined.
ZPV: hello
me: zpv on gmail!
Dreylin: hi zpv
I just had some communication with dsp
ZPV: this seems so much easier on msn
Dreylin: he has MC
ZPV: yeah - I think he thinks he is getting HBR from me.
He isn't
Dreylin: I offered to "trade" alpha, but he already got it from shady
me: yes
ZPV: yeah
Dreylin: I couldn't pay attention closely to the trades
me: shady says that he (dsp) requested a no build on colossus
so looks like dsp is going for the water wonder combo
Dreylin: so the "others" got almost what we got except Monarchy
me: and math
Dreylin: right
I am looking at rego's email from some time ago
so shady gave alpha to ruff and krill
me: probbaly for iw and hbr
Dreylin: but I remember from in-game that almost everybody except dsp had alpha
me: and imhotep
Dreylin: right re: imhotep
Broker: Hello
Dreylin: sent him an email as well
about trading
I was wondering about "gifting" him alpha
since alpha means almost nothing now
that everyone has it
maybe trade it for some units?
Broker: Why would you want to gift him Alpha?
Dreylin: he's kind of far though
not really gift
but trade for something...
it looks like the other guys also did quite a few trades...
me: yes
Dreylin: dsp will probably get almost everything for MC
me: so shadyforce is asking me if i already have any tech trades lined up
any thoughts as what to tell him?
Broker: Imhotep got some techs
Dreylin: my "ideal idea" would be to have imhotep attack krill for alpha
but that won't probably happen
Broker: I dont see him attacking Krill for everything. How many cities does Imhotep have 3? Krill 7 or 8.
Dreylin: he's far though...
imho has 4 cities..
Broker: Not to mention I think he has to march past Ruff to get to him
Dreylin: true
me: krill has 8
Broker: And anytime we approach anyone regarding something like this we risk it getting back to Krill
me: yeah
i had some exploratory talks with ruff about it
but i don't think it will go that far
Dreylin: that's true!
Broker: It just looks desperate and like we are afraid of him.
ZPV: I think krill was talking to ruff about our tech deal - he said something to me about the global meta-game changing so that he attacked me, even though he didn't a couple of turns before
so I think pleas to ruff will fall on deaf ears
me: yeah
Dreylin: that's interesting indeed
I am just bouncing ideas...
me: zpv - what's your eta on mc?
Broker: I am sure Krill is forming an alliances against us no use proping them up with trades and deals that wont help us
ZPV: a while - maybe 10t
since I am researching Compass first
me: ah
Broker: I am in no hurry for it. Will take me longer for CoL but I hope I can speed up research soon here
Dreylin: we are also mid-90s for calendar
me: does it make sense for us to put compass on the 2nd wave then? and try to get MC from dsp?
Broker: I cant make a guess it is changing every turn right now
He offered it to me for monarchy plus some cash
I am guessing whoever is researching monarchy is slow.
ZPV: I am against getting MC from dsp, I think. Not quite sure though
Broker: Not everybody would be able to
that is why I will just wait.
Time for me to go home though. Talk later
ZPV: ok, bye
me: yeah i need to run too
Dreylin: bye paul
Broker has left.

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Chat with shadyforce

shadyforce: hi
me: hi
shadyforce: ok, dsp is going for colossus after all

me: yeah - gotta figure with the great lighthouse
you talked to him i assume?
shadyforce: yeah
he is interested in the MC for currency+something trade, but he is getting maths from elsewhere
me: interesting
shadyforce: you'll need to meet him I guess
me: m-h implied they were trading for math
which goes against what you had said earlier
though they did leave it vague enough that it could be interpreted as "we're researching math"
shadyforce: what did I say earlier?
me: well that they were going to trade you math
at least that was the impression i got
shadyforce: yeah, that was true... at least as far as I know
so what did they say that made you think otherwise?
me: well they gave me the impression (and it could be wrong)
that someone was going to trade them math
which would mean that they would be unable to trade it to you
shadyforce: I don't know of anyone else doing maths
me: me either
shadyforce: when was this btw?
me: though clearly someone has to, if dsp is getting it from somewhere
a few turns ago?
i didn't mention you
maybe it was even yesterday or saturday?
shadyforce: maybe mh/kodii lied? or maybe you misinterpreted what they were saying?
shrug
me: yes
both are possibilities
i could see how they might want to be vague about the fact that they were currently researching math
shadyforce: maybe they are also going for HG and want you to think they aren't?
me: certainly possible
Sent at 4:29 PM on Monday
shadyforce: well, the truth will be revealed soon...if they are on maths they will turn up with it in a couple of turns
me: right
shadyforce: 2 other things I wanted to tell you, need to log in to see the map
just a sec
me: ok
is one of them "i just stole your worker"? :-)
shadyforce: haha, immortal for worker was a possibility there... but the spear would have gobbled me up
still 60 hammers > 30 hammers
in order to get trade routes with me, you'll need to reveal coast all along the coast where yours and ZPV's new city is on... until you can see the river, then reveal all tiles on the river until you can see ZPV's city down there, then reveal the coast along the south of the land mass to my first city
me: ok
i believe i have already unfogged to the river
and i have a unit heading south
who will then turne ast towards teh coast
shadyforce: or...
me: hopefully seeing dsp's borders sometime in there
shadyforce: you can build a road tile 1 south of the iron and wait a few turns
and the other thing is, find the coast due south of green township and you can see Malinese culture from that tile
me: till you pop borders or another city?
okay - hopefully won't be too long then
shadyforce: another city nearby,soon
me: (for mali)
is this the dyes one?
shadyforce: no,road the tile south of the Iron at green township
I'll be roading the ivory tile there right away
but the jungle hill tile just south of the iron, while in my BFC, was not intended to be roaded any time soon
1S or 1SE... either tile is good
me: ok
so if i'm remembering from the trade routes article, that still would only get me connected to that city
shadyforce: if you're in a rush for trade routes, that's the quickest way
me: i still have to unfog the rest of your cities to be able to connect to them?
shadyforce: that city connected to rest of my cities
no, you don't need to unfog
me: hmm
shadyforce: connect to that city and you connect to my empire
me: the shady expanse...
shadyforce: you only need to unfog tiles (eg coast) that are NOT in the cultural borders of a non-hostile civ
me: i see
shadyforce: not sure if that applies to road
me: i believe i'm actually good for trade routes now
shadyforce: but either way, once you're connected to that city, you're connected to me and you get plenty of trade routes
me: but will soon need more
shadyforce: oh ok... well when you need them, that's the easiest way to connect
me: okay
i will probably do that then after i'm on the iron
so where is your city going?
shadyforce: hmm... I could moe the city up and try to grab that iron...

me: the spot that gets the corn / ivory / cow?
shadyforce: yeah... city is 1S of the ivory
me: ok
do you have other iron?
shadyforce: yeah
Sent at 4:42 PM on Monday
shadyforce: btw, what's going with you and ZPV? you certainly should have the "close borders" modifier in the diplo screen
me: well he told me he was building a city there
where hippo is
like i said before, i'd have prefered it 2W
but since he was going to put it there, i figured i better put my border city there to at least keep the hills
shadyforce: you don't have any resources there at all, other than the cow... is the city really worth it?
will you ever be able to work the hills?
me: yeah that thought has crossed my mind
(after i planted it, fo course)
i never claimed to be a great civ player....
looks like you must have just traded something with dsp
did you get MC?
shadyforce: yeah,I don't think I believe that any more btw
yeah, I got MC
me: for alpha?
shadyforce: yeah... some mention of evening up beakers later, and request for not build colossus
Sent at 4:48 PM on Monday
shadyforce: I think I'd just cottage everything in Fairfield and leave it alone to slow grow
me: yes that is my plan
perhaps farm a tile or 2
shadyforce: where there's grass, there's potential
me: right
shadyforce: there isn't enough food resources for each city anyway
me: yeah - 1 per city for the most part
shadyforce: so was that 5-way tech deal a once off then? since you're looking around for currency deals?
I'm still saving money and have options as to what to do next
me: what are your thoughts?
well the good thing now is that there are more than 5 options
shadyforce: have you anything already lines up?
*lined
me: brb
Sent at 4:52 PM on Monday
me: nothing concrete
but there have been discussions
and i'm not sure how the availability of MC now changes things
shadyforce: your ability to be vague is impressive
me: lol
of course you're not telling me much either
so do you have particular techs that you're leaning towards
shadyforce: yes, calendar or construction would my ain preferences
prob calendar as I have plenty of their resources
me: yeah
probably everyone does
seems like it would be a good one
Sent at 4:58 PM on Monday
shadyforce: so if, hypothetically, I were going for calendar and I put a hypothetically put a document in front of you and said 'currency for calendar and some change'... and there is a dotted line, would I get a hypothetical Indian signature?
me: lol
Sent at 5:00 PM on Monday
me: so, let's talk some hypotheticals
obviously there is a strength in numbers
right?
shadyforce: yup
me: but, the more people that are in a group
the wider the disparity is
Sent at 5:06 PM on Monday
shadyforce: is this a roundabout way of saying 'I want to keep the 4 trading partners I have and there isn't room for a 6th'?
me: no
just the opposite
shadyforce: what is it a roundabout way of saying?
me: sorry
shadyforce:
me: got on the phone and it's 5pm here and trying to wrap things up so i can go home
but don't want to just leave abruptly and give you the impression that i'm ignoring you
shadyforce: want to finish up there and send me an email later?
me: nah
the phoen call was canceling my 530 mtg
so i have a few mins
Sent at 5:09 PM on Monday
me: ok
shadyforce: ok, so what do you mean by strength in numbers, numbers = disparity?
me: well if you take our 5 way deal
we all hit the techs with roughly the same turns
but the more people you have, the more you are going to have someoen researching a tech in 10 turns and someone taking 20 for a similar tech
shadyforce: that makes sense
me: so, if say, hypothetically speaking!!, you are one of the ones researching techs in 10 turns
you start to weigh the beneffits of the larger group
if that makes sense, hypotehetically
shadyforce: so if there was going to be a group of 5 in a tech slliance, it makes sense to have the 5 poople best at teching?
me: or at least 5 people that were similar?
shadyforce: or at least have no stragglers
me: right
shadyforce: and might there be stragglers in the existing setup?
me: this is all hypothetical
Sent at 5:13 PM on Monday
shadyforce: ah ok
Sent at 5:15 PM on Monday
shadyforce: I still don't know where it leaves me in my hypothetical calendar trade... but interesting nonetheless
hard to give you an eta on when I might be able to do calendar should I research it... but I'll run some numbers tonight
me: ok
i need to run
but we can talk more later

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chat with zpv

(17:05) me: hey zpv
(17:05) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: hi
(17:05) me: shady has iron
(17:05) me: just fyi
(17:06) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: I'm not taking HG.
(17:06) me: thanks
(17:06) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: The one norht of his cap?
(17:06) me: dunno
(17:06) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: Is itb hooked up?
(17:06) me: i don't see it
(17:06) me: so i can't tell
(17:06) me: do you have resource routes with him?
(17:06) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: yeah
(17:06) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: he has been getting copper from dsp
(17:07) me: he is also planting a 5th city to the SE of hippo
(17:07) me: 1S of ivory
(17:07) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: where is the ivory?
(17:07) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: I'll log in and have a look
(17:07) me: there's a spot that gets ivory, corn and cows
(17:08) me: to the E or SE of hippo
(17:08) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: ok, that's getting razed
(17:09) me: when is your eta on compass?
(17:10) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: 3t I think
(17:10) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: if the turn has rolled, 3t
(17:10) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: oh, wait, I'm in revolt
(17:10) me: okay - i have currency on the same turn (87)
(17:10) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: so it's 4t
(17:10) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: and I have MC partially researched
(17:10) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: so I don't want people trading it from dsp
(17:10) me: ok
(17:12) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: shady does not have iron
(17:12) me: hooked up
(17:12) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: or else it isn't hooked up
(17:12) me: he told me he does have iron
(17:12) me: and he wasn't acting too impudent about the iron that is already in my culture near our borders
(17:12) me: so i tend to believe him
(17:13) me: he probably hasn't had enough turns to hook it up since he got IW
(17:13) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: there is iron 6N2W of his capital
(17:13) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: does he have a city there?
(17:13) me: hmm
(17:13) me: not that i know of
(17:13) me: well wait
(17:13) me: can you see the city that he has to our east?
(17:13) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: no
(17:14) me: it's east of fairfield
(17:14) me: maybe about 10 or 15 tiles?
(17:14) me: not sure where that is
(17:14) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: Iron is a Fairfield 12E3N
(17:14) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: so maybe that's it
(17:15) me: yeah that sounds about right
(17:15) me: but he planted the city before he got IW (afaik)
(17:15) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: he has good relations with ruff, who had IW long ago
(17:15) me: oh right
(17:16) me: he could have told shady where the iron was
(17:16) me: he told me where my iron was
(17:16) me: so how many NCs do you think it will take?
(17:16) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: I'm thinking around 10-15
(17:16) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: I'll have things set up to whip/chop them very quickly
(17:16) me: excellent
(17:17) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: Hadrumentum (which has 2 seafood and a bunch of hills) will finish generating a GS soon, and has just whipped Stable (overflow will complete barracks)
(17:18) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: then it can build/whip NCs to its heart's content.
(17:18) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: And Hippo has about 23451394 forests which my workers are en route to chopping
(17:19) me: that's a lot of forests!
(17:19) me: how much is a NC? 40h?
(17:19) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: 50h
(17:19) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: but since they are praet-killers, I'm not complaining
(17:20) me: yeah
(17:20) me: you saw my note about his sentries
(17:20) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: yeah
(17:20) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: I'm thinking about a galley sneak attack
(17:20) me: nice
(17:20) me: he asked me again about our close border tension
(17:20) me: i told him more of the same
(17:21) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: he suggested an alliance between me and him, to exterminate you :D
(17:21) me: nice
(17:21) me: and what did you say to that?
(17:21) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: I haven't replied
(17:21) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: I have a habit of not replying, Imperio style. It must be very frustrating.
(17:21) me: yeah it is
(17:21) me:

(17:21) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: sorry
(17:22) me: it's not VERY frustrating
(17:22) me: just mildly
(17:22) me: at least to me
(17:22) me: but that's good to know
(17:22) me: speaking of them - it was very interesting reading how the screwed up the gunpowder deal by accident
(17:22) me: wondre how the game would have turned out if that deal had gone through
(17:23) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: If I don't reply to something, resend the message with the tag "URGENT" or similar and I'll reply when I read it.
(17:23) me: okay
(17:23) me: good to know
(17:23) me: well i need to get running
(17:23) ZPVCSPLFUIFDPEF: ok, see ya

[Brackard]

Very interesting....

Also very much enjoying watching the show. Thanks for keeping us informed!

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played T84. A few highlights:

MM'd Cincinnati to grow in 1 by swapping to the 2/1/0 silks from the 1/3/0 mine. Will gain back with the extra turn at Size 7.

Green Twp - Aqueduct complete with 66 hammer overflow into the HG.

Whitewater - whipped the settler which will move towards the new city of Norwood next turn. Plan is to put the overlow into another settler which will probably settle the choke canal hill on the east coast of East Fork Lake because....

I noticed that Imhotep has 107 EP on me!!. Coincidentally enough while I was in-game he logged on and I asked him about it. His explanation was that it didn't make sense to focus on people who were far away. He also said that he would answer my email about an NAP tomorrow, which I look forward to reading.

Needless to say, if the news out of his email is not good, I will be pushing hard to defend my gains. I think it will be tough for him to beat a creative walled city on a hill very easily.

Sent an email to the G5

So while I was in game just now, I noticed that Imhotep has 107!!! EP on me. Coincidentally enough while I was in-game he logged on and I asked him about it. His explanation was that it didn't make sense to focus on people who were far away. He also said that he would answer my email about an NAP tomorrow (we currently have one through T103), which I look forward to reading.

Needless to say, if the news out of his email is not good, I will be pushing hard to defend my cities.

I tell you this because depending on what he says in his email, it could make it unlikely for me to be able to support the anti-Krill effort as much as I would want.

Also, since I obviously have lost his graphs, can anybody that has them either take a screenshot of them or describe his power / prod?

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T86 was played and I got Currency (a turn early) and now I am Mr. Popular

Kalin

Hi Rego,

Congratulations on Currency! Very nice research rate you have there
We are still 7-8 turns away from Calendar.

I wanted to ask you if you would be amenable to front us Currency.
Normally that wouldn't matter, but given that Currency gives such an
immediate boost to research with the extra trade route, we would all
benefit and be able to get our techs out faster which is good for you
too. I don't mean however to force you or anything, so it doesn't need
to happen if you feel uncomfortable about this.

The other thing I wanted to bring is that I moved a warrior next to a
(still) unprotected worker of... Imhotep. There is a small chance that
I could destroy it next turn. What do you all think about such a
possibility?

Kalin

My reply

Yes Broker has also been asking about that. I am not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, it will strengthen our alliance, which is good. It will also mean that the other techs (Calendar / CoL / etc) come sooner - also good!

On the other hand, I want to make sure that there is no ill will among us. Currency is no big deal, but I just worry down the line. What's the best way to make sure that we are all equal? I'm not saying that I am better than any of you - obviously different civs have different strengths and weaknesses. I know that Sunrise and the Lins had their growth slowed because of the proximity to Krill.

If we're all going to share everything, then let's just share it all. I'll give Currency up front, and ZPV can give Compass when he discovers it, and Broker should give up Feudalism to those that don't have it. But if we're not, then we should discuss how we are going to operate. As an example, I fronted Math to shadyforce (who was going to get it 5 turns later), in exchange for 40 gold. I'm not saying that's the right answer, but it's just an example.

I just have some misgivings on this, and rather than just keeping silent and being sullen, I'd rather bring it up and talk about it. I'm also posting this in my forum for my teammate Dantski to comment on.

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I played T87 and agreed to front Currency to Broker for 5gpt till he discovers CoL, payable once he gets it.

I also was worried now that everyone (but Imhotep) has Math, that someone might be going for the Gardens. I thought that krill would be the only person sneaky enough to do it.

Luckily I have vision into almost all his cities (A, B, C, D, F, G and I). So I ran the sabotage production numbers and found that all of them had very low shields, except the capital which had 89 (this was on T86). But T87 that is complete, so I'm guessing settler, since I see no library or aqueduct in the city view. Big surprise, Krill pushing out a settler....

Cincinnati is now up to size 7 - just produced an archer (which is being sent to Norwood) and on to an axe. I have now seen 2 barb axes.

Green Twp - just grew to size 5 - HG listed in 12 but should come down with some chops

Whitewater - grew to size 3 - working on barracks for 2 turns then will swap back to settler and whip it.

Fairfield - just grew to size 2 - one cottage done and working on another one. Slowly building a library

Norwood - settler in place - will found next turn.

In other good news, Hinduism spread naturally to sunrise's new city, which means that he is giving me his missionary, in 2 turns. I will send it to Cincinnati, so I can build a temple and monastery.

[Dantski]

For now I'd go along with the share everything approach. We definitely don't gain as much as others from this but...

The G4 (if we left) would be able to wipe us out quickly (would you like ZPV to attack us instead of shady if we left the group?).

Perhaps later on (lets say if we have fully integrated shady's cities) we could consider a different approach, but I don't see any particular benefit to changing things right now.

If we are going to be the ones researching fastest in the group for now, then money doesn't seem the best way for them to pay us for giving them techs several turns earlier than they give us (do we really want the extra money to tech even faster?). Defensive units or no build clauses would be an interesting idea to present to them instead.