American Politics Discussion Thread

[superdeath]

lol. Not my favorite channel. They have some good videos, and if you watched them you wouldnt say they are poorly made. (certainly not all of them). "many scenes in the video are from Japan an other Asian countries" Yeah, id wager its a little hard to get much truthful video these days out of China.

Your link literally only covers the channels oldest videos. It doesnt cover anything regarding the politcal landscape/ect videos that ive posted from them. Plus, the linked website feels very... bot account-y to me. Admin posted the article and the websites head office is located in Pakistan.

"dissing China" Bro, China brings it on themselves.

Not a fan of Either Donald Trump or Joe Biden, but the policies he has implimented: The executive order, signed by President Joe Biden earlier in August, restricts outbound investment to China, Hong Kong, and Macau in areas deemed critical to U.S. national security. These include three main industries: advanced computing chips and microelectronics, quantum technology, and artificial intelligence..... Seems like its a good start.

Oh, and a final: Screw China.

[Boro]

Glad to see you didnt drop off yet from the face of the forums, Charr Babies, so I can give you the same advice I gave Bing: Please spend your time more constructively than wasting it on arguing with anglo-saxons.

Because despite their tendency to be media-programmable, they also have the capacity to be decent people. Shocking, I know.

Oh and please don't use language bots in your quotes either. It looks like ass, although it's a much more personal gripe.

Also screw chinese (prc or roc) shoe makers.

[Charr Babies]

lol. Not my favorite channel. They have some good videos, and if you watched them you wouldnt say they are poorly made. (certainly not all of them). "many scenes in the video are from Japan an other Asian countries" Yeah, id wager its a little hard to get much truthful video these days out of China.

They literally only recognized china as the "true/only" ect china because otherwise economic relations would have suffered.

So, in order for financial gains, It is okay to throw Taiwan under the bus and lie to the world
And lacking truth, evidence, it is okay to make up fake news.
Pretty low standards for creditability    

Not a fan of Either Donald Trump or Joe Biden, but the policies he has implimented: The executive order, signed by President Joe Biden earlier in August, restricts outbound investment to China, Hong Kong, and Macau in areas deemed critical to U.S. national security. These include three main industries: advanced computing chips and microelectronics, quantum technology, and artificial intelligence..... Seems like its a good start.

About that, that is how Biden made China great again. We cant even sanction Russia effectively, stupid to think we wont lose to China. 
How is the trade war going? BRICS+
How is the tech war going? Mate 60
When all the top officials (US incl.) are making pilgrimage to China to gain favors, when our so call nato allies are only paying lip service to Russia sanctions, it is a wonder we still have our heads buried deep in the sand and ignore we are not the superpower we once were 30-50 years ago. The sun is setting...

It is as if you were born yesterday 
that you think a "Collapse of the Chinese economy" video is news worthy, off topic at that. The collapse of the Chinese economy has been predicted for more than 30 years, almost every two weeks with different arguments. 





PS: I know, Boro. Superdeath's click bait fake news is top notch. I am more on a mission of mercy now....

Let's all chant together, "Screw China". Wow that felt much better 


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[Mjmd]

So there is a difference between click bait and "fake news". I also find that youtube channel to be meh. His base data you can find a lot, but then he goes a bit overboard and does things like assuming "how chinese youth feel" and that is a dead givaway its not the greatest. However, as far as the base data / other instances of dire predictions when dealing with large economies / countries there are a lot of factors. People for some reason also think countries won't react when things happen. Never understood this assumption. You have listed some examples (Briccs & Tech) that I know there are plenty of click bait youtube videos saying the US is doomed. I find those don't even have the base assumptions to be valid.

[Charr Babies]

you have listed some examples (Briccs & Tech) that I know there are plenty of click bait youtube videos saying the US is doomed. I find those don't even have the base assumptions to be valid.

Why they say Joe made China Great again? The sanctions against Russia scared every nations around the globe, to start dumping us bonds; and to cozy up to China. The sanctions against China just expedite China's "Made In China 2025" initiative. 

I don't believe the US is doomed. The sun is setting. Just like it has set for Great Britain (the sun never set empire), now just a running dog for the US, not so Great anymore, and not relevant as it still pretends to be. But the US still has a chance to pull its head out of its ass, wake up and smell the roses. To successfully compete is to innovate and improve, NOT by suppressing your competitors. China doesn't want to collapse US. Remember China bailing US out 2008? A world of prosperity is good for business. And China is all about business. 

The biggest takeaway of BRICS is that it practically nullified the over abused US sanctions. 

The biggest takeaway of Huawei Mate 60 is not that it's better tech than current IPhone for example. It is because it is 100% homegrown and homemade, which no countries can achieve. 

We have just lost a shitload of chip business from China, plus China is going to take a big bite out of everyone else chip business. Everything China does it does bigger and cheaper.

[Mjmd]

Who are they? There are a lot of people to blame for China's rise from both parties. Literally everyone after Tiananmen square is to blame in my opinion.

The sanctions against Russia are neither working perfectly or doing nothing. Something they are doing is making companies nervous about investing in authoritarian regimes that might start wars. China does have this and other issues it needs to overcome.

I think the US needs to do free trade with people who interests align more with ours. This isn't China. I'm not saying don't trade with them, but high tech chips and other advanced tech makes sense to keep out. As far as things good for business and trade one of the many stupid things Trump did was take us out of the TPP trade agreement. Its important to diversify trading partners in case one of them I don't know randomly invades.

Again, sanctions aren't the end all be all. They aren't doing nothing, but they obviously aren't ending the war solo. What they are doing is making businesses more risk averse to fully trusting investing in countries like China that might invade. This is an issue for China. I'm not saying it will bring them down, but its not nothing and might make them rethink their foreign policy. If they want to do business, they may think twice about trying to claim land from all their neighbors including the next biggest Briccs member India..... If it keeps them in prosperity and not invading neighbors I'm all for it.

Just because something is 100% made in a country, it doesn't make it the best or guaranteed to succeed. I'm not saying it isn't or it won't, but its faulty logic.

Chips competition is going to be interesting. You seem to think things are certain to happen and if history is any indication, nothing is certain.

[Charr Babies]

Who are they? There are a lot of people to blame for China's rise from both parties. Literally everyone after Tiananmen square is to blame in my opinion.

The sanctions against Russia are neither working perfectly or doing nothing. Something they are doing is making companies nervous about investing in authoritarian regimes that might start wars. China does have this and other issues it needs to overcome.

I think the US needs to do free trade with people who interests align more with ours. This isn't China. I'm not saying don't trade with them, but high tech chips and other advanced tech makes sense to keep out. As far as things good for business and trade one of the many stupid things Trump did was take us out of the TPP trade agreement. Its important to diversify trading partners in case one of them I don't know randomly invades.

Again, sanctions aren't the end all be all. They aren't doing nothing, but they obviously aren't ending the war solo. What they are doing is making businesses more risk averse to fully trusting investing in countries like China that might invade. This is an issue for China. I'm not saying it will bring them down, but its not nothing and might make them rethink their foreign policy. If they want to do business, they may think twice about trying to claim land from all their neighbors including the next biggest Briccs member India..... If it keeps them in prosperity and not invading neighbors I'm all for it.

Just because something is 100% made in a country, it doesn't make it the best or guaranteed to succeed. I'm not saying it isn't or it won't, but its faulty logic.

Chips competition is going to be interesting. You seem to think things are certain to happen and if history is any indication, nothing is certain.

LoL faulty logic. Still don't want to face facts, in denial. Tsk, tsk.

Faulty logic is when you say  "nothing is certain", as if it is certain  

[Mjmd]

You have opinions and have not presented facts. You seem to berate anyone who doesn't believe what you do, without actually presenting an argument. This is an ad hominem logical fallacy.

Yes nothing in the future is certain is in fact a logical argument. You can believe something with happen because of x, y, and z, but its not certain. As far as future of chips production, China has advantages, but the US also does especially in terms of working with its allies both for its own production but also to hinder China. Take a different example: "I believe the US will go to the moon again". There are logical reasons to think that will happen, but even though I think that is more likely than knowing how the chips market will end up, its still not certain. Now sure for short term what will the weather be later today, we have x, y, and z reasons to think the weather with 99% accuracy will be a certain way. But any kind of future certainty degrades pretty fast the more time you add in. The complicated multi year future of a market like chips production I'm confident saying will be interesting.

[Charr Babies]

I was just going to say that, "You have opinions and have not presented facts. You seem to berate anyone who doesn't believe what you do, without actually presenting an argument. All I hear is western propaganda.". Think for yourself, let logic be your guide.

[Mjmd]

If I have been faulty in my logic, you are free to call me on it. List which part of my argument and what logical fallacy I have committed. Saying "to face facts and you are in denial" without actually presenting facts, is not a good argument.