American Politics Discussion Thread

[superdeath]

Probably the same reason we invade everyone else. It gets tiring to type our bullying over and over again, thus I refrain to using Iraq alone. We invaded and desecrated Iraq on a false pretense and you cant understand why Ukraine!?!?

You arent seriously defending Saddam Hussein right? Even the false pretense can be forgiven when you take down people like that.

[superdeath]

2) Oh the Irish were way worse law and order wise than the current batch. And yet they now assimilated and we celebrate St Patricks day.

Attempted assimilation requires a promoted national identity to assimilate towards. This is often understood as the WASP model of having a strong Protestant work ethic. In modern times this identity is denounced as racist and offensive. During the 2020 election the Democratic party was even flirting with not requiring immigrants to bother speaking English as a language.

BTW if you want some more native births some family leave, medical care, and child care would be real nice for that.

Nordic countries have attempted these social healthcare policies to boost birth rates, and seen no success.

The USA does not have an official language. They can speak whatever they wish.

[greenline]

That's what your argument sounds like to everyone who hasn't fallen for the con man. Perhaps someday you'll realize how things are and leave the cult...

What cult are you referring to? The cult of voting for a popular presidential candidate? The cult of being able to articulate why their policies might be desirable?

It's all fun and games to talk about head in the clouds stuff like the good and evil of autocrats. But realistically, the most likely outcome of the next election is that Trump gets imprisoned, and some archaic law is dragged out to justify wiping his name from the ballot. Perhaps the Republican party itself will be criminalized, either concurrently or in a few years.

[superdeath]

That's what your argument sounds like to everyone who hasn't fallen for the con man. Perhaps someday you'll realize how things are and leave the cult...

What cult are you referring to? The cult of voting for a popular presidential candidate? The cult of being able to articulate why their policies might be desirable?

It's all fun and games to talk about head in the clouds stuff like the good and evil of autocrats. But realistically, the most likely outcome of the next election is that Trump gets imprisoned, and some archaic law is dragged out to justify wiping his name from the ballot. Perhaps the Republican party itself will be criminalized, either concurrently or in a few years.

No one wins with a election between Trump and Biden. We need more actually decent candidates.

[Mjmd]

Ah an archaic law  of "people who attempted to overthrow the government shouldn't be allowed to be in it". Honestly after the civil war this should have been upheld better. We would be in a much better place.

If the Democrats try to ban Republicans I will be first in line to help defend. However, you are using unfounded fear to protect a real threat. You've blatantly said you are fine with autocracies, which do only have 1 party.

[Mjmd]

Biden could be the most senile old man in existence, we have triple digit inflation and double digit unemployment and it is still correct to vote for him. Again, first tier of my voting hierarchy. Threat to democracy = vote against.

[Mjmd]

Oh and btw it isn't the election that will imprison Trump. It is the DOJ. The famously not liberal DOJ.

[AdrienIer]

The cult of being able to articulate why their policies might be desirable?

Yeah you articulated things like "all your data contradicting me is fabricated", so that's funny.

If you look at the policies the republican party pushed through in 2017-2018 when they had complete power, basically nothing can be construed as positive for the everyday man. Trump himself pushed for those laws so he's in league with the republican party whose platform of "give everything to the elites and F the poor" is blatantly clear. Yet people still think Trump and/or the republican party is on their side. The only relief I have is that I don't live in the US so I don't have to vote for that awful democratic party to stop those madmen.

[greenline]

Ah an archaic law  of "people who attempted to overthrow the government shouldn't be allowed to be in it". Honestly after the civil war this should have been upheld better. We would be in a much better place.

If the Democrats try to ban Republicans I will be first in line to help defend. However, you are using unfounded fear to protect a real threat. You've blatantly said you are fine with autocracies, which do only have 1 party.

Russia today has multiple parties and is generally accepted as an autocracy. The German Empire also had multiple parties that were below a monarch. I think autocracy is not an inherent good or bad, but totalitarianism is an inherent bad, and totalitarianism is not solely in the domain of autocracies.

[Mjmd]

Can you name a totalitarian democracy? So a key indicator is "heh does power change hands between opposing parties". Again, one of my two key pillars.