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(May 22nd, 2013, 14:12)novice Wrote: I think what kjn meant to say was that us attacking first would make sense if we were playing not only with our own best interests in mind but also with WPC's best interests in mind. As a team, sort of.
Anyway, if WPC insist on a staggered attack, would we mind if they declared on t148? Of course we have to politely turn down their suggested land split either way.
For me, I'd much rather declare on t152 or 153 than t150...more knights. What, besides the fact that we agreed to t150, actually makes t150 appealing for us? It's not like the Germans are close to lbows. If they were or at any point appear to be, that would obviously speed up when it is worth it for us to attack. But otherwise considering the Germans aren't building up military at all while we could honestly use a couple more turns of knight building to truly roll over them, I don't see the advantage of moving up the date.
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Ok got it, sorry for misunderstanding.
Anyways, my general feel is to approach them by saying something generally like this:
"We would rather us both declare at the same time on T150. Giving them the opportunity to first wipe out one stack, then turn and try to do the same to the other is a very dangerous plan. Forcing them to try to defend both at the same time will stretch them much worse in our opinion. We are definitely going to be declaring on T150 either way - we don't want to give the Incan team any more time to get to a dangerous tech like Feudalism."
And leave it at that. See how they respond. No mention of the city split for now, though he'll surely bring it up again. Thoughts? That'll go to Beta directly and he said he basically has full authority, so the response time should be pretty quick.
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Sounds good to me, scooter.
(May 22nd, 2013, 14:15)Shoot the Moon Wrote: For me, I'd much rather declare on t152 or 153 than t150...more knights. What, besides the fact that we agreed to t150, actually makes t150 appealing for us?
I'm worried that the Germans will suddenly remember that their NAP is running out / has run out. So I would rather attack ASAP. Our slow movers can dispatch of the border cities and then our knights can catch up.
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Yeah, i like that. If we care anything about relations with WPC post-war then the whole split idea is going to be touchy. If we don't care then let's agree to WPC's plan and then take everything
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Yeah, i like that. If we care anything about relations with WPC post-war then the whole split idea is going to be touchy. If we don't care then let's agree to WPC's plan and then take everything
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We care about a 2t delay because we have a deadline on the back end of this war: we need to get this done by t175.
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Your outline look find, scooter, maybe with an addition that we judge speed to be the most important factor in our planning - ie that we need to destroy the German team as quickly as possible.
I think that's the best way to give us an out on the division of cities, without going out and saying so explicitly.
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We should include that we have put significant effort and resources into being able to attack on T150, as per the plan. And this is true. If WPC wanted to delay the attack, they should have contacted us like 10-15 turns earlier.
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(May 22nd, 2013, 14:25)pindicator Wrote: Yeah, i like that. If we care anything about relations with WPC post-war then the whole split idea is going to be touchy. If we don't care then let's agree to WPC's plan and then take everything
I think we care about it to an extent. I think we care about it and our reputation enough that agreeing to it and then breaking that agreement is not a good option.
So our goal really is that the war gets started with no city splits agreed to. At that point, they're committed and have no real leverage. Right now if we manage to actually piss them off by bluntly telling them we should get the bulk of the land, in theory they could back out and warn the German team. Yes this is pretty unlikely, but given the way this team is seemingly pretty out-of-touch with reality, I don't want to discount that possibility completely. So basically we just walk a tight-rope with WPC until we're both at war, then we can be a little more blunt (in a nice way) about our feelings on arranged splits.
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I think we should DEFINITELY attack at the same time. That's a no brainer to me.
As to handle the splitting of the spoils, I think we should agree to a split in the middle in a general/vague way but make it specifically predicated upon where our armies meet. I.e. if they can take all that before we get to it, good for them! But if our armies happen to meet much further north, than that is where we split. The wording is key and very tricky, but I think that's the best route. I don't want to straight up just say, "whatever happens, happens." that seems too blunt and not cooperative.
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