WW29: Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood

[Jowy]

What does everyone think of the Jkaen night kill? His top suspects were Serdoa and Meiz. He was the only one who suspected Meiz IIRC.

[Lewwyn]

Yeah but, MJW voted last and crossposted with Zak. When MJW was doing the vote he would have killed Serdoa 4:3 instead of Goreripper 4:3. Why would scum kill scum like that on Day 1 when it wasn't necessary? Because it wasn't necessary, and as a scum tactic it would be extremely terrible.

No I don't think MJW killed Serdoa. I also for these same reasons do not believe Zak is scum. The only one I might possibly see is either novice yourself as an attempt to get Serdoa close to the lynch without actually being lynched and even then its an extreme longshot.

No Jowy and Matt are the only real possibles IMO.


As for why I suspect Jowy: his tone is too measured, he's being very careful, he hasn't placed a vote. During Day 1 I also think he was MUCH more laid back (ie: posting less) than games where he was a townie.

Matt is also suspicious as I pointed out during Day 1, however my suspicion of Jowy greatly trumps my suspicion of Mattimeo.

[Lewwyn]

To illuminate my comments:

And have you seen Jowy's posts??

Maybe I could explain something if your issue is something that can be explained? Just let me know what's wrong with my posts.

Look at all these posts he's done today.

MJW who do you suspect other than Matt?

Meiz, why MJW over non-Serdoa voters? I understand your point on MJW, but aren't the odds much higher that the last scum is one of the non-Serdoa voters? That's how everyone else is voting so far. Speaking of that, does anyone else think yesterday might have been a scum sacrifice?

Meiz, why MJW over non-Serdoa voters? I understand your point on MJW, but aren't the odds much higher that the last scum is one of the non-Serdoa voters?

If it would be anyone else making the kill vote, then yes. But I remember MJW not being shy at all on bussing his wolf partners. I believe his priority #1 as scum is self-survival. MJW was being meta-cleared, so as scum he would be confident to cruise to victory by making the kill vote on Serdoa.

For non-scum voters. If no counter claim, Lewwyn is clear. Your posts give me townish vibes. Matt I'm unsure of and I'd probably vote for him if I wasn't suspicious of MJW. Once again this is stupid, but Matt's post at the deadline was odd to come from a scum. I don't know what scum would hope to achieve with that, he was not being voted off or anything.

What about GoreRipper?

What does everyone think of the Jkaen night kill? His top suspects were Serdoa and Meiz. He was the only one who suspected Meiz IIRC.

Who does everyone want to lynch? Enquiring minds want to know!?

I mean there's no hint of what Jowy is thinking. It's just questions to try and seem like he's active and villagery. But he's not actually scum hunting. This is the equivalent of a child who shoves food around on their plate and then say they've finished eating.

[Jowy]

As for why I suspect Jowy: his tone is too measured, he's being very careful, he hasn't placed a vote. During Day 1 I also think he was MUCH more laid back (ie: posting less) than games where he was a townie.

That is fair enough. I am making a conscious effort to improve my play and posting style, so you are not wrong in your analysis. It ties in with my desire to steer the town away from easy lynches. While I can say that we as a whole need to make changes in our town play, it would be hypocritical if I didn't also attempt to improve my own personal play.

I don't think your list of quotes was very fair, since it skips posts such as my continued case on GoreRipper. The day is also still young, despite your rushed claim. If you look at yesterday, I posted a lot more than just questions.

[zakalwe]

Zak, there are many things you could ask Lewwyn about his play. I still wonder how he could view Goreripper as more of a patsy than Mattimeo, for example. It's all moot if there's no counterclaim, though.

Yes, I realize that, I just needed a shower to think things through.

@Jowy. I thought it was off that Serdoa listed Meiz as his #2 suspect at the end of the day.

Something is wrong with MJW's play when he keeps accumulating tells that almost clear him and yet still feels suspicious. Could be confirmation bias, of course. I do think he is way too lazy, either way. I am tempted to dump my vote on him until he starts playing.

I guess it could be Mattimeo, though. His full player evaluation yesterday was a pretty bad post, looking back.

I need to read your case against Jowy later, Lewwyn.

[Meiz]

Yeah but, MJW voted last and crossposted with Zak. When MJW was doing the vote he would have killed Serdoa 4:3 instead of Goreripper 4:3. Why would scum kill scum like that on Day 1 when it wasn't necessary? Because it wasn't necessary, and as a scum tactic it would be extremely terrible.

This is MJW. If I'd have the energy, I'd go pick up his scum games and scum threads which clearly indicate that he doesn't play scum as a team game.

[Jowy]

On the idea of MJW bussing Serdoa, one point in favor of that is that I was online at the deadline and I had already shown interest in joining the Serdoa bandwagon. Before MJW's vote, it was 4-4. If I had switched at that point, that would make it 5-3 in favor of a Serdoa lynch, and MJW would be screwed. If MJW only hops on the Serdoa bandwagon when the vote is already decided, he'd be just as suspicious as if he had never hopped on. If MJW is Serdoa's scum partner, his only choice was to bus Serdoa if he wanted to have any chance to win this game. Out of everyone who voted for Serdoa, MJW is the one I find by far the most likely to be scum.

[Lewwyn]

I was online at the deadline and I had already shown interest in joining the Serdoa bandwagon.

And yet throughout Day 1 you never actually voted for Serdoa at any point. It seems you're actually describing not MJW's best hope, but yours, only you didn't pull the trigger. Very convenient to mention you'd "shown interest" in lynching Serdoa.

[Meiz]

To me Jowy's talks of hitting a power role indicated town mindset instead of scum excuses. He tried to get Serdoa to claim, before putting down a vote.

[Jowy]

I was online at the deadline and I had already shown interest in joining the Serdoa bandwagon.

And yet throughout Day 1 you never actually voted for Serdoa at any point. It seems you're actually describing not MJW's best hope, but yours, only you didn't pull the trigger. Very convenient to mention you'd "shown interest" in lynching Serdoa.

I know that not voting Serdoa looks bad on me, and I've already said that you are right to suspect me. I can't defend my decision any more than explaining the reason for it, which I have done. Unless you are actually the seer and not the doctor, you can't know my alignment for sure, and you shouldn't ignore my point on MJW just because I'm one of your suspects.