RBP6 Lurker Thread

[plako]

Probably Gandhi should also be banned for the same reason as India.

I think Cultural win is definately doable, but focusing all legendary cities on 1 team is probably most cost effective so that using culture slider would take only 1/3 out of economic power or even less, if the cities not needed to reach the goal are given to other nations. I don't think they can generate enough Artist to bomb their way to victory.

Team 4's skill level is not high enough to compete. So I would guess following standings:
1. Team 1
2. Team 3
3. Team 2
4. Team 4

[Jowy]

1. Team 1
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The rest will depend solely upon who Team 1 happens to go against, and on who has the most score when Team 1 wins by a forum surrender.


To elaborate on my Team 1 fandom, which is not just blind fanboyism; In the past games, the team of Sullla and Speaker have been quite dominate. Thing is, those games have been games with alot of players and despite all their knowledge and skill, they are still just one civilization. Now each of them have a nation to order, and add into that Sunrise who is very good as well, especially in MP I hear. That leads us to our final point, the fact that this is a medieval start, and if Team 1's chances weren't high enough already, Team 1 is by far the most experienced in medieval start team games. I haven't lurked all that closely, but I'd imagine many other players are on their first game of this kind. With the odds stacked this much in favour of Team 1, it'd be a miracle if they didn't win. Even a 3-1 dogpile might have hard time to stop them, and the chances of a dogpile happening should be lower in a 4 team game than 8 player solo game. And if I understood the rules correctly, this is a no diplo game as well, just to make sure that dogpile doesn't happen. It's as if Spullla got mad for being beaten by Lord Parkin and created a game which they absolutely can't lose.

[Serdoa]

I know some people have an issue with Sullla and speaker, but stating that the point of the game is that they can steamroll other players seems kinda silly. I really have a hard time believing that they do that only for their ego. I believe them when they say that they wanted to bring different settings to this forum. And when I look at the 22 PBEMs played till now I can understand that.

Not that I think the oppose the idea to steamroll this game - after all they want to win. And they surely will point out at the end what others did wrong. So what? Everyone who signed up knew before that those are good players and that they will have the most experience with those starting conditions. It seems they still wanted to try and give their best and have fun with the game. I wonder why you can't have that Jowy? Still sour grapes because of PB2?

[Jowy]

I'd have more fun if people wouldn't always bring up my PB2 loss when disagreeing with me on something. Just like everyone else here, I ranked Team 1 as my number one pick to win the game. I'm not trying to stop the game from happening or anything, so what's up with the attack on me? And I actually think the game will be alot of fun for all the players and lurkers as well.

So uh, I'm not allowed to have Team 1 as my favourite because they eliminated me in a game two years ago? Is that it? Just trying to figure out why'd you single me out and bring up PB2. Well, if I had to guess, you did it just to piss me off. You little troll.

EDIT: I'd just like to add a disclaimer that I've been playing LoL with Sullla and Speaker for months and I think they're good guys. We made up for the PB2 stuff over a year ago when PB2 ended. They were my favourite team in PB4, not that I knew it was them, and they are my favourite team here as well. Not that this really has much to do with the game, but thought I'd clear it up so maybe I can finally get these trolls off my back.

[Serdoa]

Jowy, it is a pity I have not quoted your post in mine. Nothing more to add.

[nabaxo]

and created a game which they absolutely can't lose.

Hmm, this seems like a likely scenario, even if it might not be true. Good observation.

[Kylearan]

I genuinely believe Sulla and Speaker have created this game because the setup is fun and different from what we've done before. I can also understand that they want to play in one team; they're old friends and have played a lot together. But given their experience with this kind of setup compared to the other players, I'm disappointed they didn't split up tp balance things a bit more. From my experience, Sulla is not someone who only plays to win; normally, he likes a challenge to go with it. Playing against inexperienced teams might not provide that.

And yeah, I have to agree with T-hawk here: That will result in bad blood, again. Example: Calling a thread "Spullla Dogpile" even before the game has started nicely paves the ground for that, and was unnecessary IMHO.

[darrelljs]

But given their experience with this kind of setup compared to the other players, I'm disappointed they didn't split up tp balance things a bit more.

This is true, however its worth noting Sulla puts an insane amount of time and effort into these games. I can't really blame him for wanting to play with people he knows he can depend on. What would have been really neat is recruiting some outside talent like Moineau (http://www.civplayers.com/index.php?sect...pic=6948.0) to add a bit more suspense.

Darrell

[spacemanmf]

And yeah, I have to agree with T-hawk here: That will result in bad blood, again. Example: Calling a thread "Spullla Dogpile" even before the game has started nicely paves the ground for that, and was unnecessary IMHO.

I think it's funny given the set-up and previous games. It had already been discussed in the set-up thread anyway (from memory).

[Mardoc]

But given their experience with this kind of setup compared to the other players, I'm disappointed they didn't split up tp balance things a bit more.

Or, alternately, they could have treated this as a serious effort to introduce a new style to RB and taken on more of a teaching role than an adversary role. Then if they wanted to play in the next medieval start game as their own team, at least their motives wouldn't be in question.

Perhaps lurking all the threads, providing advice without playing in the first one themselves. Or at least starting things off with an essay on important differences between Ancient and Multiplayer starts, between solo and team games, etc.

But the trouble here is that it will be hard to know if they do better because of paying more attention to micromanagement/better macro-scale choices, or simply the other teams' lack of experience. I think there will be especially bad blood if one of the other teams makes a decision that would be perfectly fine in an ancient start but is in a medieval context. Basically, if they do something that would have been in that hypothetical 'introduction to medieval civ4' essay that wasn't written.