SAT - #2 Pencil only Please

[AutomatedTeller]

I would assume so. It's tough to pass up BW with this much food, too.

[AutomatedTeller]

it might be that the fastest way to oracle is agri->hunting->wheel->pottery->BW->meditation->priesthood and whip a holkan for a ton of whip overflow, then going back for AH.

That's a little dangerous, of course, and means we aren't working the clam for awhile, so that might be bad. I dunno..

[Sareln]

it might be that the fastest way to oracle is agri->hunting->wheel->pottery->BW->meditation->priesthood and whip a holkan for a ton of whip overflow, then going back for AH.

That's a little dangerous, of course, and means we aren't working the clam for awhile, so that might be bad. I dunno..

If we want Oracle clam is a red herring. I got it @T42 just now but I saw some inefficiencies as I went.

[Sareln]

Can get it at EoT 40 w/ 4 workers and 2 cities. Also a bunch of warriors and Holkans. The primary limiter feels like it is the commerce needed to tech everything that we want first:

(057) Agriculture
(038) Hunting
(115) Bronzeworking
(057) Wheel
(077) Pottery
(077) Meditation
(057) Priesthood
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(478) Total

100 Hammers for the Oracle. We can get 4 forests into it, which is 13 * 4 = 52 or half the hammers. Our capital at Size 6 can show 18 PPT, or 3 turns of production (54) with a mine on that plains hill. If we micro our overflow correctly...

[Sareln]

EoT 37 now. And yeah, commerce needs are killing us. Experimenting with builds that include Fishing to work the lakes while we're growing in the capital. Takes a while to get pottery, but we need it to bulb metal-casting and the road lets us go one more pop so we can speed the oracle up by a turn with a 2-pop whip.

[Sareln]

EoT 37 now. And yeah, commerce needs are killing us. Experimenting with builds that include Fishing to work the lakes while we're growing in the capital. Takes a while to get pottery, but we need it to bulb metal-casting and the road lets us go one more pop so we can speed the oracle up by a turn with a 2-pop whip.

I'm going to see if I can get it down to T35, but that's pretty much as tight as it can go.

[AutomatedTeller]

EoT 37 is pretty damn good for Oracle.

Do we have the ability to get a forge built so we can get a GE before a GP?

At some point, we should talk about how we want to play this game I'm a builder at heart, but I am certain we are going to end up doing some stomping (or getting stomped, if things go poorly, of course)

I think we want to expand peacefully until rifles or cavs, right? We definitely want to avoid war with NA in the beginning, and war with everyone else in the medieval/renaissance period.

What do you think?

[Sareln]

I'm more of the builder mindset as well, but there will obviously be conflict. My goal/preference is to be the first to drafting and just go from there (Musketeers + Steel or a beeline to drafted Rifles). There's another inflection point at Knights/Cataphracts, but I think our goal should be to survive the early game while getting our snowball going.

I can't really get it below T37 w/out being unable to bulb metalcasting due to a lack of critical techs (Pottery or Bronzeworking). .

I'm going to explore the T37 space and see what we would prefer, though I think it'll have the shape of 4 workers and a group of warrior/holkans so we can transition immediately to settler spam.

[Sareln]

Just for giggles I ground out a sim where we landed Pyramids on T48. Too slow I think, though it wasn't optimized at all. That and there are 2 IND teams in this game, Oracle might go to use if both INDs are racing 'Mids, no need to compete for the #1 prize of the ancient era... right ?

[AutomatedTeller]

Does the T37 plan involve getting a settler or two out along the way? I'm wondering if we should go for meditation before wheel or pottery to pick up the religion faster.

I dunno if we should or not.