Ichabod Wrote:What do you guys think of the Sumer pick? Is it just for the Ziguratts?
Zigs aren't much of a selling point with spies off. I think they were taken for starting techs + UU.
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uberfish Wrote:Zigs aren't much of a selling point with spies off. I think they were taken for starting techs + UU. Well, like Novice pointed out, Small/toroidal will have a pretty high maintenance. But what can you get from Vultures? Better defense against WE? I seem to recall that they are worse than normal axemen in a straight confrontation. Maybe they plan to use only vultuyre for defense, instead of needing axe/spear combos. Regarding techs, wheel/agri is a pretty common pair. Maybe they just wanted to make a slightly unusual pick and decided to go for a very well rounded one.
It's Standard/Toroid, once again to note.
The vulture thing: It comes from the weird way Civ4 does math. Axe vs vulture isn't 5(+50%) vs. 6(+25%), but rather 5(+50%-25%) vs. 6. But Combat promos aren't subtracted, rather always added. So the correct comment about vultures is that they lose to axes...on flat ground sans promotions. Of course, TEAM picked Sumer because puce is the only color for rage.
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Sumeria's got pretty good starting techs, but they could have done better if they were solely picking for starting techs IMO. And vultures suck. Which leaves the Zigguraut as the only apparent reason for them to have picked Sumeria. I don't like the pick at all myself, but I'm sure they have a plan in mind.
As for our leader, my personal favorites are Mansa and Sury. Mansa seems like a much more solid pick... but the epic micro Sury enables does have a certain reckless flair to it.
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Tatan Wrote:As for our leader, my personal favorites are Mansa and Sury. Mansa seems like a much more solid pick... but the epic micro Sury enables does have a certain reckless flair to it. We already have Novice and Fast Workers... epic micro is pretty much the name of the game.
Team Gillette picked Vikings (Fishing/Hunting). I guess they're going for a maritime start, settling 1SE of the starting settler if we have mirrored starts. SevenSpirits with naval dominance. *shudders*
Strike one against non-Fin as we'll have another competitor for GLH.
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The best traits are FIN/EXP, but to me CRE is a clear third. Unless we think FIN is so much better than EXP that it pulls SPI on par with CRE Sury is the third best leader in the game. If Mansa gets picked I definitely don't see PHI or ORG or IND (Bismarck) as worth it.
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Incas as a civ really synergize with Exp and not with Cre, so I don't think they will pick either MM or Surya. I do encourage people to play around in the sandbox a bit if they haven't already, as it seems we've narrowed it down to three choices for ourselves that people think have good potential (MM, Surya, Bismarck.)
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