WW 45: I'm an Illegal Alien

[Gazglum]

I wasn't worried about people piling on Adrien as much as just one or two people peeling off Lewwyn and splitting the vote.

If you were so set on lynching Lewwyn that you didn't want to split the vote why were you voting for me in the first place?

Because I thought you were now most likely of the trio to be scum, because I had publicly said so, and to see if people would follow me? I didn't want to move before bed, because I wanted to make sure there were no major moves while I slept. But I voted you when i woke up because there had been no movement and I wanted information from seeing how other people reacted if another candidate was put up - particularly Adrien, who had also said he preferred you over Lewwyn. 

I learned that tactic from another great werewolf player, can't remember his name. Bowaine, or something.

[Rowain]

To elaborate. Gazglum + Psilly works; Gazglum + DP works; Psilly + DP involves considerable risk on Psillys part (especially if you are going to sleep 3 hours before lynchtime)

Sure, in a vaccuum where you don't look at people's play.

I already said that I think Psilly's move makes sense as a risk. Scum have no night-kills, and no way of shutting down Lewwyn crusading against DP all the next day. Psilly parked his vote at a time when the actual likelihood of DP swinging seemed low, requiring:

> Jabbz changes his mind about martyring himself and moves to DP
+ > someone else moves to DP out of Rowain, Glum and Adrien, all of whom had been posting more against jabbz
+ > none of the others moves back to Jabbz in a sudden rush of cold feet.

Yes scum might take risks but a) Here in our games Last second swings have regularly happened. Especially Day usually end in a huge rally with rather unpredictable swings which makes:
b) Moving your scum-buddy up while at the same time going to sleep (3 .5 hours before deadline) a very risky operation.

Anyway, you and me are in the same situation. From my POV, Rowain + DP works, Psilly + DP works, Rowain + Psilly is possible, and I guess even Adrien + Psilly, as you say. But then you weigh all that against Mr D. P's actual posts, and the right vote at the moment seems fairly clear to me.

Yeah but there is some difference between you and me. A) I was up there yesterday and you not. B) Lewwyn was town and choose to rather die than get me lynched while he was still suspicious of you.

[Rowain]

Because I thought you were now most likely of the trio to be scum, because I had publicly said so, and to see if people would follow me? I didn't want to move before bed, because I wanted to make sure there were no major moves while I slept.

Why not? What better time to move your vote and see in the morning what results came up? Especially as one has to consider different timezones/sleeping cycles, give people time to think about and react.

But I voted you when i woke up because there had been no movement and I wanted information from seeing how other people reacted if another candidate was put up - particularly Adrien, who had also said he preferred you over Lewwyn. 

What did you learn from Adriens reaction?

I learned that tactic from another great werewolf player, can't remember his name. Bowaine, or something.

But you know "Quot licet Iowi (not licet glumi)"  as the romans said.

[Gazglum]

Yes scum might take risks but a) Here in our games Last second swings have regularly happened. Especially Day usually end in a huge rally with rather unpredictable swings which makes:
b) Moving your scum-buddy up while at the same time going to sleep (3 .5 hours before deadline) a very risky operation.

I agree. I'm not saying it makes Psilly more likely to be scum than if he had stayed on Jabbz, it is a townie point. I am saying that it does not rule him out of being scum, and I can believe it from scum Psilly. My actual suspicions on him come from:

> his turnaround on Lewwyn from top town to top scum, but then not acting at all like he thought lewwyn actually was scum, but started talking about what to look for after Lewwyn flipped town.
> his claim to want to pressure Adrien followed by no pressure, then blaming us for not holding his hand
> his major shift from contant helpful posting on people to sliding low when we started attacking him. His not directly responding to my major post about his Day 1 play.
> Most of all, what Psilly DID say towards the end of yesterday. Faced with a lot of criticism, he chose to post about your fact-checking which a: I think was not really much of a fact check, b: did not make you 'obvious town', and c: Was a way of joining the conversation without actually defending himself or pushing Lewwyn.

Anyway, you and me are in the same situation. From my POV, Rowain + DP works, Psilly + DP works, Rowain + Psilly is possible, and I guess even Adrien + Psilly, as you say. But then you weigh all that against Mr D. P's actual posts, and the right vote at the moment seems fairly clear to me.

Yeah but there is some difference between you and me. A) I was up there yesterday and you not. B) Lewwyn was town and choose to rather die than get me lynched while he was still suspicious of you.

Yes, and they are good reasons for you to look into me, I would expect no less. But from my POV, knowing I am town, I am able to discount lewwyn's suspicions of me and my position in the nomination, and so I remain in a similar situation.

[Gazglum]

But you know "Quot licet Iowi (not licet glumi)"  as the romans said.

Hah! Classical quote of the month. 

Why not? What better time to move your vote and see in the morning what results came up? Especially as one has to consider different timezones/sleeping cycles, give people time to think about and react.

Lewwyn's self-vote only made sense as a scum move if he was going to crank up the pressure then there would be a scum push for another candidate about 10 hours out from deadline. I was looking to see if that happened, and I didn't want to be the one who lookedl ike they were doing it. Better to sleep and be absolutely certain that Lewwyn was taking the cynanide capsule, then I when I woke I could be almost certain he was town.

What did you learn from Adriens reaction?

Sadly not that much, because his point about self-preservation made sense. If Lewwyn had moved to you then Adrien would have had an opening, but as it was it was logical for him to protect himself.

[Rowain]

Why did scum put Lewwyn and Rowain up? I'm pretty sure I kow what they wanted and equaly sure Lewwyn saw it too. That's why he did what he did. I'm also sure that D2 did not go as scum had planned.

[AdrienIer]

Putting the three towniest people seems like a good enough choice don't you think ? Or are you suggesting something else ?

[AdrienIer]

*good enough nomination

[Rowain]

Or are you suggesting something else ?

Yes I'm quite sure Scum hoped for something else to happen.

[Gazglum]

I imagine they wanted you and Lewwyn to turn on each other, end the day with uncertainty and bad feeling, and then use the dead townies attacks to justify lynching the other one on Day 3 or 4.