American Politics Discussion Thread

[Charr Babies]

People Incarcerated = +60%

My bad. that was a miscalculation, tho it did increase despite more lenience on handing out jail terms

[Mjmd]

Biden has multiple achievements. I'm not saying its all sunshine, but bailing out a sinking shp and starting to get it patched up isn't nothing. Heck I would say we are in drydock atm with repairs underway.

You are cherry picking facts (logical fallacy) and then ignoring all causes for them. You are also ignoring all policies related to them both in the past and proposed in the future. Its bad logic.

  
Always the kettle. LOL with your fallacy again     I'd say you are the one cherry picking facts and ignore facts that matter. Yea, you may be wearing a suit but you are rotten inside.

An ad hominem attack again. SHOCKING. (you know if you didn't do it every 4th post). 

Please do tell me how picking only specific facts and ignoring all the history surrounding them and all policies regarding them ISN'T cherry picking. I will note I am the one bringing up said history and policies, you haven't disputed them, and instead do things like attack me.

[Charr Babies]

Sorry it wasn't an insult meant toward you. (I get lazy) I was referring to the us (wearing the suit)

There is nothing to defend. Results are plain for everyone to see. You can write a book on how Biden is better, the result, plain facts says you are wrong.

You know what's more funny?

bailing out a sinking ship and starting to get it patched up isn't nothing.

If I would have said the us was a sinking ship during trump's term, you would have totally get defensive, full denial mode, and compare it to some third world countries.

[Mjmd]

So if I can write a book of ways Biden is better, but you can choose 3 things and say "FAIL" even though there is tons of history behind all them. Even though the policies on the opposite side would almost surely make them worse? You know what that sounds like

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related and similar cases or data that may contradict that position.

I know you don't like me calling you on logical fallacies, but especially in this case its literally a classic example. I mean I could be illogical and we could yell back and forth like most of the internet. Is that better? Or we could go back to some nice peace and quiet here. 

I mean the ship went through a storm during Trumps term and he tried to torpedo it on the way out. However, I would not compare us to third world countries; I know people like to, but I am not one of those.

[MJW (ya that one)]

MJW election prediction 

   

NV is useless to Trump and Harris so let's just ignore it. 

MI is harder to win for Trump than WI/PA , and one of them is already good enough to win, so let's just ignore it. 

Harris just has to win PA and WI which is not hard at all. Tossup.

[Charr Babies]

So if I can write a book of ways Biden is better, but you can choose 3 things and say "FAIL" even though there is tons of history behind all them. 

Not just failing but made it worse, failing at things that really matter to 90% of us is big FAIL. Wearing a suit when you have an empty pocket and holes in your underwear. There are words and there are actions. when they contradicts, it makes you a liar.

You can give me a million dollars, buy a tux and dress me up real good, treat me to a super fancy dinner, then you kill me... Seems to me all your good deeds don't matter as much if you end up killing me.... 

Even though the policies on the opposite side would almost surely make them worse? You know what that sounds like

So we are back with conjecture again!? Even when the facts that matter show biden made it worse.

I know you don't like me calling you on logical fallacies, but especially in this case its literally a classic example.

Truth be told, I don't mind at all. it always give me chuckles when the kettle calls the pot black. 

I mean I could be illogical and we could yell back and forth like most of thIs that better? Or we could go back to some nice peace and quiet here.

You mean I should just be your yes man? 

I am just here "keeping everyone honest". Be honest, then we have no problems.

[Mjmd]

But what if he made 47 things better that also matter? Do the 3 override those? Does the history behind them matter? Heh I wonder if a pandemic mattered to those statistics? Does the alternative having negative policies towards affect AT ALL both current and future???

Does cutting food assistance not matter towards these topics or making it harder to access? When one side is trying to reform the criminal justice system and release certain types of inmates early and the other side calls them "soft on crime'. Does that not matter? The facts show those CHERRY PICKED issues got worse during his administration. But he passed the America Rescue Plan trying to deal with fall out from the pandemic that was only curtailed from helping more because all 50 Republicans voted against and he had to keep 2 "democrat" senators happy. Do you blame the president and the 48, the 2, or the 50 for not doing more? I mean you can blame all of the above, but may I suggest voting the 50 into power probably won't help more?

If I ever commit a logical fallacy please call me on it. But mind you I want the specific fallacy. See above excellent example of you committing one almost perfect in line with the fallacy and my explanation for how it fits that fallacy.

I would love it if you ever answered my questions and would really love it if you responded to my criticism of your logic instead of attacking me (see calling me a kettle without an actual example and associated fallacy).

I can honestly say I find your arguments very illogical.

[Charr Babies]

Honestly your logical fallacy and illogic calls give me chuckles. Your willful ignorance is astounding when you ignore facts and play the what if game.

I am but a simple man who doesn't understand world affairs and politics just like most Americans. I have much better things to do than to poke through your deceptions and spend hours on fact checking your bias. I am not mired by partisan perspective. I can use reasoning instead of defending a party no matter what. I cut to the chase. What I do understand is

We are at (near) a point we can't even cover the interest rate of our national debt. I have less money in my pocket, and I am seeing an increase of homeless people that make my morning walk in the park a Frogger challenge evading pot holes and homeless tents.

FACTS.

If I go up to a homeless group of people and tell them how great our economy is, I would get the living daylight beat out of me. And I would understand.

[Mjmd]

Heh look an ad hominem again. I do not ignore facts. I am pointing out you are cherry picking those facts and ignoring any context around them. Like you are literally doing the definition of the fallacy. You've literally never addressed my counter arguments and instead keep choosing to attack me.

Ya we should really raise taxes or cut defense spending (specifically army). Maybe we should vote in more people who want to do those things. I mean this seriously.

If you go up to a group of homeless people and say you are voting for the people who will make it illegal for them to even be in an area and take away any assistance they are getting, you probably also would get the living daylight beat out of you. I'll admit its conjecture, but it doesn't seem more of an unreasonable conjecture than the one you presented.

I can tell we are in the you want the last word loop again. So this doesn't go on for another 3 days same terms as before. If you say something logical I'll respond congratulating you. Or if you do ANOTHER ad hominem I'll respond.

[Charr Babies]

You are cherry picking only things that make biden look better than trump, and accused me of cherry picking only data that matter to 90% of the population. That is willful ignorance. That is absolutely the kettle calling the pot black. Hey, I am equally offended by me calling myself pot. Oh, the melodrama!

As always, you like to ignore facts and play the would have, could have what if game

Mjmd 
I'll admit its conjecture...

Enough said