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RB Pitboss #2 [SPOILERS] - Pacal II of Greece! (Jowy & Yazilliclick)

novice Wrote:Some do but not everyone. A write-up would be appreciated. smile
Alrighty then. Here we go.

It's been quiet as of late for me. That's never a good sign! So I've been trying to analyze those few mails I've got and piece things together. First off I feared India was planning to attack myself, and then Ottomans, right when the conflict between Ottomans/Rome and Incas breaks loose. However, India prolonged their NAP with me by 10 turns and also Ottomans' for 20. That is now unlikely. The other possible source of attack against me could be Korea with help of Indian intel, since months ago I chose Rome over Korea. I'd say that's not likely atm.

What I do think is going on has two scenarios.
1) Ottomans/Rome are going to attack Incas, who already KNOW about the attack, and who might even have allies to help them.
2) Mali/India are going to attack HRE, who would be in trouble considering Rome/Ottomans would be busy with Inca and I'm weak.

I first heard about Ottomans and Rome's attack right after we ended the war against India. After that it was a long time of silence on that end. For a while I was even a bit suspicious if I was being shut off the alliance, and that's still possible but I think they just didn't think I want to know or need to know. Now the Inca bit.. I received an email from India, in which they mentioned (accidentally?) two things: India has allies and they know something will happen at turn 150. Already faraway in the past I had warned my allies about a counter-alliance, and now we have confirmation of that, atleast in some form. Turn 150 didn't mean much to me when I received that email, so I sent two emails out. One two Ottomans, asking if they were planning to attack Inca at turn 150: Yes they were.

Now here comes in the Mali/India attack. Soon after, HRE sends a message to CoW (or should we call it Mediterranean Alliance nowadays?) that Mali has decided not to "prolongue their NAP", which I interpreted as that Mali is going to attack HRE. The second email I sent, mentioned earlier, was to HRE to ask at what turn their NAP expires. If it's turn 150, then this might be what India is waiting for.. and I think they'll join in the attack because Mali doesn't have the power to challenge HRE alone. Also, judging by India not wanting to discuss a longer NAP between us, I think India perhaps either hasn't decided will they actually help Mali or not, or if they want to see my reaction once they attack HRE (if I side with my old allies or join them). I could be a good meat shield against Ottomans.

I think atm scenario 2) sounds more likely, because I can't figure out how would India know that Ottomans/Rome will attack at turn 150. In second scenario, they would have to know that Mali's NAP with HRE ends at turn 150 (if it does). However, the war between Ottomans/Rome and Incas will still happen I believe, just that Incas might not know about it. Though Incas might still be allied with India.. I'd be surprised if they still weren't!

Here's the important one. Hopefully I didn't over-analyze things, that could definately be a possibility. Still, atleast something I speculated must be correct and that's better than knowing nothing at all.

Quote:Dear Jowy,

A 40-turn extension to our NAP is a little much, I'm afraid! We'd like to
wait and see what happens when Turn 150 arrives
before signing any more
longterm deals. There's a lot of diplomatic chatter going on at the moment,
and we need to sort things out before we can make an extended commitment to
any one side
. If we can clear things with our allies, then we'll look into
extending that NAP for a longer period, and move onto Open Borders as the
next step past that. It never hurts to have more trading partners!

Cheers,
Sullla
The Killer Angels
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Some updates on that:
* Ottomans had a NAP cooldown with Incas, so that's how Inca -> India could know about it.
* HRE's NAP with Mali indeed ends at T150..

So.. I think both scenarios will happen, and India might know about BOTH of them, but I doubt they're actually doing anything to help Inca who are pretty much doomed (then again, so was India when we declared, yet here they are now running away with the game again.).
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Thank you for taking the time to write out your thoughts Jowy. That helps us lurkers experience the game more fully. We appreciate it!
Suffer Game Sicko
Dodo Tier Player
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Quote:India also declined to sign a longer NAP then t150.

Here's what I think will happen:
Dantski will declare on HRE
Korea will declare on The Empire
Due to our MDP, this means that both The Empire and HRE will be at war with
both parties.
Consideri the planned war against Slaze...
India will surely join on some side...

That's from Nakor. I asked him if he got a longer NAP with India when I sent the warning, turns out he didn't. That means it's pretty much set in stone that Mali will attack, and most likely India will help. Rome had told me long ago that Korea will attack at T150, however at that time I didn't pay much attention to it as things tend to change alot. Looks like that will actually happen. Unless Korea attacks me instead, though I have already inforced my north coast cities. EDIT: Korea could also attack HRE.

Let's re-cap:
India will fight Holy Roman Empire
Ottomans will fight Inca
Rome will fight Inca and Korea
Inca will fight Ottomans and Rome
Holy Roman Empire will fight India and Mali
Mali will fight Holy Roman Empire
*drum rolls*
Greece will fight... [SIZE="4"]no-one![/SIZE]

It's almost too good to be true.
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Jowy Wrote:Let's re-cap:
India will fight Holy Roman Empire
Ottomans will fight Inca
Rome will fight Inca and Korea
Inca will fight Ottomans and Rome
Holy Roman Empire will fight India and Mali
Mali will fight Holy Roman Empire
*drum rolls*
Greece will fight... [SIZE="4"]no-one![/SIZE]

It's almost too good to be true.

That could be the lucky break you need to get back on your feet. jive
I have to run.
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Signed a NAP till T200 with Korea. Just savin' my own a$$. Might have been a good idea to launch a naval surprise attack on Korea if they declare on Rome, however I'm trying my best to be neutral in this new conflict, yet still try keep relations good. Maybe gift an unit or two around and some intel, but that's it.

Now my biggest worry is of course India. Sent another email today, and acted like I wouldn't know what'll happen at T150 (like I didn't for a long time!). That might make me look less tight with Otto/Rome/HRE, which in turn might convince India to sign that NAP with me. I know they could just roll over me anytime they want :/ Building troops now wouldn't get me anywhere, so I'm taking a risk by still just improving my economy.
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They really aren't gonna throw me a bone here. I'm so fucking dead it's not even funny. alright
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3/24/10 12:19 am slaze Logged out
3/24/10 12:19 am slaze Finished turn
3/24/10 12:16 am slaze Score decreased to 543
3/24/10 12:15 am slaze Score decreased to 548
3/24/10 12:15 am slaze Score decreased to 554
3/24/10 12:15 am slaze Score decreased to 560
3/24/10 12:15 am slaze Score decreased to 563
3/24/10 12:15 am slaze Score decreased to 568
3/24/10 12:15 am slaze Score decreased to 574
3/24/10 12:15 am slaze Score decreased to 580
3/24/10 12:15 am slaze Score decreased to 586
3/24/10 12:15 am slaze Score decreased to 591
3/24/10 12:09 am slaze Logged in

He probably saw the attack stacks inc lol
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Plans for recent future:

If India doesn't attack me, then I will stay as neutral as possible, but upkeep my relations with Mediterranean Alliance and help them with 5-10 units (I still have some extra upkeep, but don't have the guts to gift them yet considering I might get attacked soon.. Not that they'd do much to repel the attackers). Keep improving economy.

If India attacks me, then I will be forced to switch sides if I want to survive. I'd try talk India into accepting me as an ally, which makes sense strategically because then they'll be able to land a surprise attack on Ottomans who'll think I'll slow down India. But if they still don't trust me, and can't blame them for that, then I'm fucked.

Or something unexpected could happen. smile
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