[Spoilers] What, no fireballs?! Team FFH: we're not in Erebus anymore

[Ichabod]

That's fair enough. I just wanted to bring some attention, though as I said it's very late.

Also, on an unrelated note, I've been following this game closely, and while I am sorry you don't enjoy it as much, I really do I hope you keep going and you do good so that you hopefully you'll start having fun again. I think you are in a reasonable position fwiw.

Kalin

Thanks, Kalin.

It's not that I'm not having fun. I'm actually looking forward to play the turns and see things unfolding. There's a lot of joking involved with the subject, so it may seem like I hate it, though.

What makes me lose my mind is some things that go on on the Diplo Thread. I know I acted pretty dramatic about it, but I really hate seeing things going the way they go sometime. And since I don't like to argue, I end up very frustrated.

Anyway, on brighter subjects (and more interesting too), here's the other Moai city we considered:

It'd have way more coast and it could be easily chopped. The problem? Lack of food, of course . It could share the pigs with the capital, but it'd have to keep it for too long. We can't even irrigate a tile until civil service and a lot of labor.

What is incredibly and utterly frustrating is that if we had one, one tiny little seafood resource in that area, we could build a crazy Moai on the plains hill 1E of the marked tile. It'd have a lot of coast, silks, hills, plains hill settle. But there simply no food to be had...

[kalin]

Actually the other place would have only one more coast so it's not a huge difference. You may still want to found that 1E PH site anyway. All in all I think now that you didn't have that much choice.

Kalin

[Ichabod]

[SIZE="4"]Turn 350 BC:[/SIZE]


The turn greeted me with the pop-up about what to build next in Sloth. Like planned, we went for a worker. Two turns only, very nice!

I think it'll be our 9th worker for 6, soon to be 7 cities. Envy will finish its worker after the galley and Sloth will probably build another one. We will see, maybe Sloth will have to build a bit more military.

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I moved our units in the Roman conflict zone and saw this:

What can we get from this picture:

1. First, we couldn't kill the roman chariot, since they moved first in the turn. No problem. The chariot is fleeing through harsh terrain. Hopefully, it'll be the last Roman "scouting party" that decides to visit our land.

2. about my lack of exploration in that direction in the early game. That's our third city right there, with cows and wheat. It would have been so much better than Acedia or Greed...

But, well, gotta keep going, hopefully with a lesson learned: explore a little bit better...

3. Should we still plant the next city on the "X" tile? I think we should. It's a better defensible position (since it's closer to us), it gets the bananas faster and it really closes our border with Sunrise. The big decision of this turn is where to send our next settler (the one which was built this turn), so that's an important thing to take into account. I think the wheat will be better if grabbed with another city.

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Scratch everything I've said until now. How about a city right here, settled with this settler?

It's very defensible (we have a lot of troops near it), it has improvements already in place and it's a great Heroic Epic city. With some irrigation in place after civil service, it has lots and lots of mines... Wow! I haven't seen it before, but this definetely looks great. With one road and we have a connection with the empire.

Later we can settle the other city, when we have a better defense against Sunrise.

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The other options for the settler are as follow:

1. Pride

Risky city, since it creates a two front against Sunrise + a front against the Romans. I don't think we have so much to worry about Sunrise (I'll explain later), but it's better to be safe than sorry.

So, risky city, good potential.

2. Cowardice

It's almost the opposite of Pride. Is a very safe city, but it won't give us benefits for a long time. Actually, it isn't that safe either, because the Skirm that was defended that area was sent to Lust.

I don't think either of this proposed sites wins against the wheat one. But, I'd like to hear your opinions.

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Demographics:

Our GNP is nice when we are at 100% science. of course, we shouldn't have such a good GNP right now, it would be better to have more crop yield. But, oh well... At least it's something...

Unfortunately, we will only be able to run 2 turns of 100% science. I think we can finish currency in 3 turns with the last turn in 90%, though.

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To follow, a post about Sunrise089, the mongolian king of Egypt!

[Ichabod]

Actually the other place would have only one more coast so it's not a huge difference. You may still want to found that 1E PH site anyway. All in all I think now that you didn't have that much choice.

Kalin

We will probably found the PH site, but very late in the game, when we are backfilling and we can spread irrigation.

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Ichabod, you saw 4 missionaries only a few turns apart? Either sunrise has an immense production AND city count that he needs that many... or you are actually not talking about missionaries at all? Maybe you saw "Crusaders" which you only misinterpreted as missionaries? Look very similar but use the sword instead of the word for their duty

It seems Serdoa cracked our code. The second message was too obvious, unfortunately... Now I'll proceed to blame Sunrise for not responding to my first message, rather than blaming myself for the obvious code:

"Damn you, Sunrise!!"

By the way, we need an answer in the same level to Serdoa.

[DaveV]

I disagree with the 'X' city: it needs to pop borders to grab the wheat, and the cows and iron are already being worked by other cities. And it's a flatland city with first-ring hills on a border with an aggressive neighbor. I atually like 1S of the Roman chariot better, if we don't see any more Roman units or borders when the explorers move forward. Then settle Pride to fill in the gap. Or, one of the other hill tiles around the wheat if you don't want to stick a fork in the Romans' eye.

[Ilios]

I've gotta say, I'm with DaveV here, not really liking that spot. I'd first unfog some more tiles, and who knows we still find those damn Horses that have eluded us for so long. =)

[Ichabod]

How about reaching a consensus here, guys:

So, if we want the wheat, we need to settle the blue or red circles right now. My planned site would make it second ring and Rome will culturally win. Any other site first will make Rome get the spot.

I think red is best. Blue is an option, but it's clearly worse in my opinion. I think we can settle the city before Rome, because they already ended turn (and if they were deceiving us, they wouldn't have moved the chariot for that tile, so I think they already used the movement from that stack) and they probably want to settle it next to the wheat (if they put it in second ring, we win anyway - and they would have settled it in the plains hill).

We can get 3 Skirms and a spear in 2 turns in the city, so that little stack couldn't take it from us. We can also settle the city next turn. So I think we NEED to do it. And while I think Rome can't settle next turn, this is a situation where logging in early could be a good idea. The first one that can log, do it and settle the city.

So, do we go for the red X city?

[Ichabod]

And we have a delightful guest who just appeared:

It seems he came to bite this turn, rather than bark...

[SIZE="3"]Hello, Lewwyn![/SIZE] :wink2:

The city is safe, but I think our beautiful mine will be pillaged...

[DaveV]

So, if we want the wheat, we need to settle the blue or red circles right now.

Agreed. Frankly, I don't see much difference between red and blue.

[Gaspar]

That's the wrong picture for Lewwyn. I think you meant this: